Thorny

The last thing he’d want to do is lay out actual goals because then he could be evaluated against them He has the concept of a plan

That’s embarrassing if true identifying things that don’t work is the only easy part. If the return doesn’t matter nearly as much, they aren’t focusing on the actual building blocks of winning. This is repeated behaviour with Adams. Cut Skinner, worry about rest later. Don’t sign Ullmark, worry about goaltending later (still worrying). Now this No need to identify a solution in a timely matter. The vacant hole on the roster can be filled with development The actual plan

I see both as well. The fact it’s so close in my perception and it’s difficult to honestly say who ends up better is why it makes sense to me to select the player who makes it much less likely we need to swing a trade for balance. A trade under the domain of Terry Pegula

Was beginning to get cold feet on my stated intention to step away if Adams was retained upon missing 5 years straight and this really reminded me why I decided that in the first place

What are the ups he’s even speaking of? Does he get it’s a young team because he made it so? Does winning ever actually matter?

This event was a complete embarrassment

*WITH A YOUNG TEAM?!* You built it this way! Year 5! - - - This is the GM of a last place team that has averaged 75 points for 5 years without making the playoffs, on top of 9 straight years missed before that which on its own equals the NHL’s longest playoff drought besides our own: “Not that far away. I could help the roster.” Can’t write this crap

I’m not sure what deserves revolt if not this Development isn’t a straight line?? It wasn’t a development year. Odd talk from a guy saying playoffs were the mandate this year More than that, it’s completely insulting. They are making this too easy

How apropos

Change can be excruciatingly slow, but if you pull back the perspective far enough, you can see its progress. I don’t believe things haven’t changed at all. Too many I know anecdotally, even if that’s only two people, who watch much less than before. Some fans indeed are hitting breaking points and it’s reached a level I personally haven’t seen. More speak of apathy than before. I drew a line at 5 years of Adams and I’m interested to see how that unfolds

When the obstacle is the mere changing of a human mind it’s never an unthinkable pursuit. I mean 12 angry men is one of the best films ever. We won a hockey game against Vegas because of the united choice of several thousand booing Hertl - this actually happened. Of course getting Adams fired could lead to the team being fixed. If you randomly shuffle the deck it won’t likely come up ace but you have to be pretty unlucky to get the Joker Speaking nothing of accountability. And the message it may send. Adams should be accountable we have gone down the wrong road if we are willingly calling accountability pointless just because it may not get us what we feel is personally owed how sad that would be

Game changer gap between 2 and 3 Doesn’t matter where we finish, will need some luck to grab a top 2 spot just win the games you can and make a good pick if you can’t trade it. You are going to get someone “good”, and so are a whole bunch of other teams, too. A top 2 could represent a little bit of quicker gained ground if we are lucky, both to get the pick and after

Could make him shift his thinking on firing Adams

The two better players? No

Utter defeatist bs in this thread shout it from the roof tops. Don’t give in. Show your spirit. Don’t keel over and die because some will call you silly for trying. it’s not about convincing anyone and never has been. It’s about demonstrating that it’s not good enough. That in YOUR heart it’s not good enough. the battle is only truly lost when they’ve convinced you you can’t win it

“The eye-brow was the sign!”

I think they mean something. This discussion always inevitably regrettably seems to devolve into extremities, like most things nowadays it’s not that they don’t matter: it’s just that they don’t take precedent over the others. They don’t matter *more*. We don’t cherry pick the last 2 games and say, “2 for 2, is that the real us?” we are our record the roster should be addressed reflective of the total we finish with, and reflective of what we want to achieve going forward, and how much of a priority it is for us to achieve it The context of the discussion was the removal of Cozens being the “most important part”. That is what i was disagreeing with

He’s responding specifically to the suggestion the team has made meaningful progress with the wins. That has little to do with inability to “accept” a positive outcome. The discussion turned to what it may or may not mean for the future

This is their 5th such stretch this season No, just the nature of an 82 game season

No. We are 5-4 since the deal, getting outplayed in our last two wins, against winnipeg drastically so. I’ll never understand the fascination with “addition by subtraction.” We didn’t have a 5-4 stretch (and much better) WITH cozens this year? Nevermind the “good” cozens we thought we had two years ago. We still need that. Simply removing Cozens isn’t the team building we need, it’s just the start No it was the lack of Cozens that made our goalie stand on his head in tribute

Bernard docker is a god

Great assist by Quinn wiped

Zach Bogosian

Right, your immediate move is of course to pin me on another rigid, black and white stance because those are seemingly the only parameters by which your stance is capable of seeing this: Full-stop declarations based on faux certainty. “You just always go BPA”. Which, logically, implies you always can identify who is “best.” Not just now, but for in the future. As if you can be so sure all other factors can be ignored without question: BPA simply is. No context required. No, I wouldn’t have drafted Kotkaniemi. Of course I wouldn’t have drafted Kotkaniemi. Because I wouldn’t be clinging to positional need to a rigid failt, refusing to take into account all context. Up to and including the fact the perceptional gap at the time between Dahlin and Kotkaniemi was larger than the Grand Canyon