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Making a top 10 list is kinda funny because a more representative list would be: 1 McDavid - - - 2 10-15 guys who are all pretty close / comes down to what you want / depends on the season / depends on the week / all have a valid argument...type stuff I don’t know that there’s enough of a gap between many spaces in the top 10 after McDavid to think it’s at a level to offset the variables like team and line mate strength, etc. To the point of being able to form any kind of definitive list It’s certainly a fun discussion though. but it’s Connor McDavid, and then after a sizeable gap, a bunch of guys who have an argument for 2nd.

There was discussion about whether his 34 point pace was theoretically “enough” for a 3C

Cozens and?

I mean, the Leafs 3C has 15 points.

He’s having a top 10 season in the NHL, ya. Going to be tough for the opposition to knock him off significantly, size isn’t everything but when you have little man’s skill and, as an opponent, the size is what you need to get beyond, to attack said skill...well, in the words of Lucius Fox: “Good luck”. Things like this fluctuate and can be heavily subjective so can I see him being, say, top 20 next season? Top 5 the next? So forth? Ya. The rub is that Tage being a top 10 NHL player right now means we have 2 top 10 NHL players right now

Got a little emotional watching Letang’s post game speech. Dude has been through a lot. Glad it was him who got the winner.

I’d take him back before Comrie to a certainty if he continues to perform better than Comrie. The stats don’t lie Guys who have 28 nhl starts 10 years after being drafted are, believe it or not, dime a dozen.

What image format is this? I can never see your posted images

Mentioned this when sds was putting the pace graphic together, the cutoff seemed abnormally high last year, had said I wouldn’t be surprised if it ended up a bit lower. 93 wouldn’t even be very odd, and I’d certainly take it.

Not sweating it too much for the reason @Weavementioned, but I really hope he does. It’s true we talk a lot of the F prospects but really after the Kulich, Savoie, Rosen type guys..when you hear about guys like Bloom, putting up point a game, in junior, as a 2nd year post draft player, it’s really not that noteworthy of a development. If you want to be an NHL mainstay one day, putting up good offensive numbers against a bunch of kids you are older than in a league you are too good for is sort of a prerequisite. If he wasn’t point a game he wouldn’t even be on any kind of radar at all. It’s step 1. Can guys like that carve out a depth role one day? Sure. And I like him as a depth prospect certainly. *All* teams have those guys, though. Again, where we separate is the Rosen, Savoie, Kulich Top end F prospects in system, and getting back to Johnson, he’s a superior prospect to the other Fs there and so to me the next level priority after the top Fs and Levi.

I don’t even understand this, is it real? Twitter/Stan twitter has just so passed me by nowadays. Getting old.

Nah, I’m definitely the only one in the world’s history who said it.

A lot easier to find a guy capable of playing 3C when you actually have a guy playing 2C. You know, like, not Marcus Johansson

Does anyone else always say Tyson “Yost” in their head when they read his name? No? Ok Can I also toot my own horn that I’m like the only guy here who said Mittelstadt could and should be moved to wing and would be better there? Consider it well tooted.

But even then we can go for a hockey trade. Guys like Samuelsson don’t break bank. If we eventually get to a spot where we want to convert Olofsson’s valuable points, that pay, to defensive aptitude that kinda really doesn’t, then that’s swell. But it’s too valuable a commodity to not see a return on asset.

People like being in the playoff hunt, now, right? And if we get in, wouldn’t it be nice to win a game? VO helps both to a considerable degree. If Quinn took his spot now (Ie we tasked him with replacing VO’s production) we’d win less. How can we talk endlessly of culture and not suppose this team will benefit greatly in the now, and long term, by building the strongest foundation possible, this season? I understand it’s being framed as “will replace” and not that it’s time, now, but it’s not just about Quinn surpassing VO. Assuming he does, who’s taking Quinn’s former spot? More than ever, with rising scoring and deep NHL F groups, we need to be looking at a 12 spot roster and also assume injuries (that wildly we’ve been able to almost avoid this year). Does Asplund or Hinostroza, the current 13th guy, replace VO’s 30/40 goals? I don’t think we have anyone close. Let’s just worry about the next couple years first, ya? Replace him when the talent level of the top 12 forces a 35 goal scorer to the bench based on ability. As ever I think it’s important to remember that the future we covet probably only arrives if we actively harness it: make the competition we used to *pretend* we had, actually happen. The non-KA guy with his 30 goals annoyingly preventing the next young prospect from making the team is exactly the spot we want to be. Finally.

How many cups does the team have that lets the 30/40 goal scorer walk? Come on now.

I’ve been hearing for a couple years now from people who know way more about the advanced metrics than me that, as scoring skyrockets, not just even Cs but forwards in general are carrying more and more potential for value relative to the other 2 positions. I suppose that, A) Adams focusing on making our F group the deepest possible first, as he appears to have targeted, before detailing the rest of the roster makes a lot of sense B) Teams will live and die by their depth of F. We aren’t done at F, won’t be done at F, and it’s why Adams is inquiring on guys like Meier C) The D that can provide top value are much rarer and harder to find. Making a Dahlin even more valuable as more teams will struggle to find D that can live up to the aptitude of their Fs. D advantage for us (Dahlin, Power) proving a potential X factor. D) these lists must fluctuate a bit b/c Mark Scheifele has not been good by advanced metrics any time lately until this year. It does show the impact of coaching indisputably.

We are talking these players as they currently stand, right? Owen Power is not “significantly better” or more “purely talented” than Danny Briere, Tim Connolly and a host of other players on that team. Danny Briere ALSO was a top 10 scorer that year, along with Tage this year people really just be saying anything nowadays

Marty Biron to the nearest courtesy phone..

BigdickdubbleU We’ll be playing a Jets team on Thursday coming off a loss - to Nashville and their Devon Levi, Saros

I bet you it’s auto-immune Its always auto-immune, House

This is truthfully a very common thread throughout the NHL nowadays, especially this season goals are way up. Teams get big leads. Score effects, as always remain a thing: but with the raw amount of goals going up, it simply translates to greater swings in differential relatively this happening to the Sabres is normal. Try to be one of the teams overcoming the score effects, rather than one relying on them to get back to square ground so far so good

Please rest up tomorrow