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Need a dub here tbh

Looks like he’s really feeling Vegas

Ya it’s the bolded bits that you can’t see unless you expand the quote that sometimes get me

So, broader convo: is Mahomes now a top 3 QB of all time? I’ve got: 1 Brady 2 Montana 3 Mahomes ..Aikman and Bradshaw have more SBs than Mahomes but...ya. Elway and P. Manning have arguments for #3 as well among others but given his trajectory I have no problem personally slotting Mahomes in at 3.

Ah. My mistake, thanks for letting me know. Reaction rescinded

You alignment with the take I’m currently arguing against

I do not see it as a play that happened on every down, though. The clear differentiating factor is the visible jersey tug, which the official saw. It’s going to be called every time. The closest comparison is slashing in the NHL. It’ll get called, it’ll get not called, at the officials’ discretion. But what WILL always get called by the ref is a slash that breaks a stick. If a player’s stick comes down on the opponents’ stick in a slashing motion where the result is the stick snaps, ref makes the call full stop, even in the playoffs. We all know that’s the way it is. Whether we like it or not. It’s consistent. This play was the same. He pulled the jersey. Ref saw it. Penalty every time.

No one actually sees the play being “let go” for 58 minutes it’s just what they say because everyone says it lol. No one watches for that. No one posting a clip of another instance. Because it actually *wasn’t* happening on every play (this is why the chiefs were able to burn them on it twice, before the penalty). It’s not a real thing - but this space is quite heavily (expectedly) biased against the Chiefs. I mean I get it, but it’s a weighted discussion on its surface - - - Another thing former NFL TE Luke Wilson did on TSN was a skewering of Greg Olsen which I honestly much appreciated: after breaking down why the call was correct, he lambasted Olsen for belabouring the point on air after the play endlessly - not only was Olsen wrong he did a HELL of a lot to shape the narrative - most viewers base whether the call is correct based on what the commentators say: most casual viewers and even regular viewers don’t know the ins and outs of the rules. The endless refrain of “uncatchable” is evidence of this First comments: “it was uncatchable!” “it was within 5 yards!” please...I beg of you...*learn the rules* mr and mrs twitter people, if you want to b*tch about em

“Catchable” doesn’t apply to that play, so many people are mistaken on this rule. Not on a hold at the line of scrimmage. It was on the receivers initial spin that the jersey was grabbed, stalling up the play right at the start, impeding the receiver, THIS is why the ball was uncatchable. This is why “uncatchable” isn’t a factor here, it’s not relevant/included in determination, by rule. They did a great job breaking it down on TSN. The reason they initiated contact at the line is they had literally been burned on that exact play twice right before, he had no help behind him so jammed him up. It was the right call, right time. Even the philly player said he held him The last call at the end of a game, as usual filled with its fair share of questionable calls, doesnt “decide” the game. That’s not how it works - there are always *multiple* factors, moments and diverging moments throughout any of which going differently could have changed the outcome, and the one that comes last isn’t the most important just because it came last. Not logical - the 4th goal in a 5-4 win is as important as the 5th. If you take it away the game is just as tied as taking away the last one

That he shall now henceforce be known as Darth Mullet is perhaps punishment enough

Great game. Calls went both ways. Agree with Philly coach, breaking it down to one call (which was correct) is never accurate, and the better team won. Mahomes established as current standard in the sport, bar none

Never mind lol

You may have already seen the turning point Early as it was

Awful decision by Reid to go for the FG to begin with

Good stuff.

I’m down to 1

Where’s @dudacekat? If my memory serves (and who we kidding) he was a reasonably big booster of the fellow, during early day Eichel trade talks. Wonder if his stance has changed re: Comtois He was indeed a *healthy* scratch.

Always enjoyed this when I was a kid. Speaking of Sandler, and especially fitting considering the day EDIT better audio version

So our 4th/5th best prospect is “untouchable”. From what @tom websterhas said, KA isn’t even close to this stance People throw around “untouchable” worse than “generational”. There is one untouchable asset in the league. Funnily enough, that player is the same answer to the “who is generational” question. I get you said “pretty much” but it’s still, imo, absurd verbiage for a prospect like Östlund. Östlund is “pretty much UNTOUCHABLE”? We can’t conceive of a team offering up something worthy of that piece in a trade? Teams don’t even attempt to submit fair offers for Östlund, he’s just too good, not worth the effort, common ground could never be found? Forgive me but it stretches the limits of believability.

Yep, exactly. - - - Sorry for the multiple posts, behind on thread and posts not joining together / guess I’m not being quick enough

To your point, the only thing that should matter where any potential trade comes along is the individual, specific evaluation of the value within. No thought need be given to quantity over quality: the scenario Murray was playing under coming out of a scorched-earth tank was wildly different to the situation we are in now. We had almost nothing. The roster ITSELF was barren - the key point. Now, we have a system filled with prospects and picks when the BIG CLUB looks pretty good - less spaces to fill, ground no longer scorched. Any comparison to Murray became obsolete a year ago. Some of our best advantage is the currency and flexibility that provides. Once a team gets good enough, not only does quantity no longer remain the most important factor, but teams will occasionally *actively lose trades by value* because trades are a means to an end and the trade is being made to alter one specific aspect of the team that takes the ice every night. We aren’t at THAT stage yet, but it’s closer than people think.

Good point, and not only is it necessary, but using his good evaluation skills, and inside information there will be some prospects best moved while the “world” still sees their utmost upside, where Adams is aware that’s not likely the case. Some prospects will not only present the most value to us through a trade, but by trading them fairly early on The better KA’s overall evaluation skills prove, the more available avenues for Adams to mine where his aptitude can be exploited.

So he had the ability to make the swap but chose not to due to his evaluation. I’m good with that. But it was due to his evaluation of the specific piece, not an outruling of the idea on principle, correct?

Part of that may come down to the fact we’d have maybe expected a guy like Quinn or Peterka to slide up, but they are part of the reason for the changes in the first place. If KA was using this as an “evaluation” year, there’s so much ground left to cover but IF the season ended today/things looked more less like this at season’s end, one of the big take away “evaluations” needs to be that the roster needs to be prepared for / have back-up options ready for the scenario next season where Quinn/Peterka/ or whoever other rookie can’t give us what we need in the role we have them penciled in for. No excuses next year because we’ve literally tossed this year onto the “evaluation year” pile from game 1. That’s what management intimated. Which is fine, and good, I’m on board - but the roster for next season needs to be built by way of the information gleaned from those evaluations or it was wasted and no, the answer certainly can’t be “we need another year to evaluate”. Love this

Casey has been decent though, no? I could see him being OK with Tage. Okposo has been disappointing. Maybe he’s such a good stylistic fit with Thompson and Casey the line gels, I can see it, but I kinda hoped (and actually thought) we were past the days of energy line grinders playing with my star C