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Exactly. To say Terry is the actual GM started as a meme and moved into an absurd narrative. Terry meddles and places restrictions: he’s not the actual GM. He signs off on the team ADAMS built and they are in agreement on how to build it. As I always say, part and parcel and i struggle to see how that’s a defence of Adams. You’d *think* calling him a puppet would be to his detriment but in reality people are using that as a reason for why the unqualified man should get another shot at it. So, remembering that KA had a big part in the actual build, in addition to starting out as wholly unqualified, bears mentioning

No, YOU watch it! Having to actually watch the product is just seen as the worst lol

Franchise is hilarious tbh

Calm down, Braveheart lol so, why do you think Adams was qualified to be hired as GM? You still haven’t gotten to that or really said anything about anything…but me. Your GM sucks. I’m not your enemy. Stop taking out your anger on me Well said. And as it turns out, even the good drafting gets undercut by the other components not being up to scratch. Finding the right balance is the essence of team building

No, I didn’t say you had to concede that at all. Where? - - - 1) I think it would be reasonably possible to argue otherwise at the very least - dunno where the “anything short of” thing is coming from 2)even if I did think it was inarguable i wouldn’t care what your opinion is further than enjoying debating it. I don’t expect you to change your mind. The only stance I find ridiculous is the one that amounts to Adam’s essentially being an unknown quantity

We’ve come so far through the desert that team sunshine’s new platform is “Adams is a normal failure.” I’m going to rest my case/digress. I think the above says enough Should also be noted your statement is “normal level of failure in sports” under the prism of him needing to rebuild (which you started with): which isn’t something I ever agreed with in fact I vociferously did the opposite. He’s done nothing but prove me right: the rebuild especially the extent of it was absurd. And hindsight need not apply: I said it 5 years ago

It’s all well and good to say this but historical president doesn’t render it realistic again, 2 teams spending in bottom 10 have made playoffs in last 10 years. This is a ridiculously compelling statistical trend that suggest “buck up and play better” isn’t realistic once you add the handcuff of youth, when the youngest team ALSO statistically doesn’t make the playoffs, and I think it’s clear we need to look to construction

You know how many GMs are employed with droughts longer than Adams? 1. Adams has a longer drought than anyone but Yzerman. We aren’t just normal bad

It’s only a normal amount of failure relative to the sabres (and even then, only if you unreasonably dismiss the variable of time: Adams is about to field 5 teams that missed the playoffs to JB and Tim Murray’s 3 each). It took Darcy 11 years to miss the amount of times Adams is going to do in 5. No, missing 5 years in a row isn’t historically bad. But it’s certainly not a “normal” level of failure, either: aside from buffalo only 4 teams in the entire league have droughts of 5 years. JUST ADAMS TENURE ALONE would be good for the 5th longest playoff drought in the league currently.

That’s my point. He started off with nothing to his name. He didn’t have the qualifications to support a hiring. IF we are counting his 5 years as anything, I struggle to see how it can be anything but negative. Where are we looking to find body of work that supports him? on his resume before we hired him? No since taking office? Also no theres no argument FOR. Just a bunch of “well we haven’t isolated each variable individually” nonsense because the sum total is so inarguably bad

Right, my issue with Adams is he’s had 1,800 tomorrows. The results haven’t come in any of them

If either of you two would actually like to, you know, CHALLENGE my opinion that it’s a fact to say Adams was an unqualified hire, why don’t you have at it? Instead of merely arguing me with on the principle? Does it matter to you so much i think it’s a fact Adams was unqualified? Make an argument for why he was a qualified hire 1 “he played in the nhl 2 “he managed a skating rink” 3 … and so forth

I don’t need to be penalized against my rep on this board, which obviously precedes me as it should. I am a legend. If not a poet. But probably both. but me typing “*fact*” is just that: words on the internet. It doesn’t MAKE it fact just because the great Thorny said it. You can kindly disregard it or call the post inane, I don’t care Me saying it doesn’t suggest a board ruling. I don’t have that kind of power. It’s not an attempt at stifling conversation. If there’s one thing I do it’s promote engagement, we can ask SDS but id be shocked if otherwise I’m not always right People just follow me cause I’m awesome

So, it’s your call. Do you fire Adams today or no

Also I dunno what you are doing with your post but sounds like a lot of projection. you should know I don’t think about you at all.. and it sounds like you are dreaming about me

Do you think Adams was a qualified hire? If so, explain

My argument is, and has always been, that Pegula and Adams are both bad and both need to go. If someone wants to argue otherwise from THAT, after 14 years and a 10 game losing streak where GM howdy-duty took a sh*t all over a city I don’t even live in but was livid to see thrown under the bus by that yokel, As if “GM and owner both bad” can be construed as a hot take, amidst this dearth, kindly jog on

No, you are *in fact* wrong, because you can’t make an argument he was a qualified hire

What could Kevyn Adams have even done Like we are actually there. It’s not a meme. The argument is we can’t glean anything at all from 5 years, and not only that, Adams has now become qualified It’s not that we can’t glean, he’s now worthy of the job

Your argument applies to me there is no way to know if I’d be a good GM. So give me a shot It’s such a foolish argument. You are ignoring the fact he was unqualified from day 1. Everyone isn’t just “equally likely to succeed until removed from pegulas’s shadow” this place has nosedived

No. Why let him be GM? That’s what I’m asking Remove pegulas restraints. Why the heck wouldn’t you also remove Adams too? You said you “wish to see” what the harbour centre head man can do at the head of an nhl Team. Why? Why would you want to hire an unqualified candidate?

He was not a qualified hire. The burden of proof is on Adams. I cannot believe I have to argue this your argument that “we just don’t know” includes the refusal to glean *anything* from 5 years. And also a non-valuing of the fact he wasn’t a reasonable hire from day 1 The position makes no sense! Are you seriously saying we can’t evaluate Adams AT ALL over the course of 5 years? He doesn’t have a HAND in things? Because any solitary negative mark at all is added to what he started as, unqualified.

Adams gaining traction among the fan base amidst a 10 game losing streak and pacing for 69 points

So your argument is that you’d hire Kevyn Adams to be the GM of your hockey team Lmao get real Be serious for one moment. He was ridiculously unqualified 5 years ago. Has he improved in standing?

I don’t care if you don’t think he’s the problem. I think my point is going over the Adams-stans heads (all 2 of them): it’s not so black and white as to there only being 1 problem. It’s not a matter of “the” problem. Adams is A problem. Definitively. Like, if you can read all the data and not come to the conclusion he’s definitively and indisputably a problem, with all due respect I’d have to conclude one had zero idea what they were talking about and a scary inability to separate from bias we know he was an unqualified hire That ends the debate. He is unqualified, that’s a fact. Even if you stubbornly stick your head in the sand and refuse to glean anything at all from 5 years, you’d be wrong: Adams is a bad GM and a bad choice for GM