Thorner

If either of you two would actually like to, you know, CHALLENGE my opinion that it’s a fact to say Adams was an unqualified hire, why don’t you have at it? Instead of merely arguing me with on the principle? Does it matter to you so much i think it’s a fact Adams was unqualified? Make an argument for why he was a qualified hire 1 “he played in the nhl 2 “he managed a skating rink” 3 … and so forth

I don’t need to be penalized against my rep on this board, which obviously precedes me as it should. I am a legend. If not a poet. But probably both. but me typing “*fact*” is just that: words on the internet. It doesn’t MAKE it fact just because the great Thorny said it. You can kindly disregard it or call the post inane, I don’t care Me saying it doesn’t suggest a board ruling. I don’t have that kind of power. It’s not an attempt at stifling conversation. If there’s one thing I do it’s promote engagement, we can ask SDS but id be shocked if otherwise I’m not always right People just follow me cause I’m awesome

So, it’s your call. Do you fire Adams today or no

Also I dunno what you are doing with your post but sounds like a lot of projection. you should know I don’t think about you at all.. and it sounds like you are dreaming about me

Do you think Adams was a qualified hire? If so, explain

My argument is, and has always been, that Pegula and Adams are both bad and both need to go. If someone wants to argue otherwise from THAT, after 14 years and a 10 game losing streak where GM howdy-duty took a sh*t all over a city I don’t even live in but was livid to see thrown under the bus by that yokel, As if “GM and owner both bad” can be construed as a hot take, amidst this dearth, kindly jog on

No, you are *in fact* wrong, because you can’t make an argument he was a qualified hire

What could Kevyn Adams have even done Like we are actually there. It’s not a meme. The argument is we can’t glean anything at all from 5 years, and not only that, Adams has now become qualified It’s not that we can’t glean, he’s now worthy of the job

Your argument applies to me there is no way to know if I’d be a good GM. So give me a shot It’s such a foolish argument. You are ignoring the fact he was unqualified from day 1. Everyone isn’t just “equally likely to succeed until removed from pegulas’s shadow” this place has nosedived

No. Why let him be GM? That’s what I’m asking Remove pegulas restraints. Why the heck wouldn’t you also remove Adams too? You said you “wish to see” what the harbour centre head man can do at the head of an nhl Team. Why? Why would you want to hire an unqualified candidate?

He was not a qualified hire. The burden of proof is on Adams. I cannot believe I have to argue this your argument that “we just don’t know” includes the refusal to glean *anything* from 5 years. And also a non-valuing of the fact he wasn’t a reasonable hire from day 1 The position makes no sense! Are you seriously saying we can’t evaluate Adams AT ALL over the course of 5 years? He doesn’t have a HAND in things? Because any solitary negative mark at all is added to what he started as, unqualified.

Adams gaining traction among the fan base amidst a 10 game losing streak and pacing for 69 points

So your argument is that you’d hire Kevyn Adams to be the GM of your hockey team Lmao get real Be serious for one moment. He was ridiculously unqualified 5 years ago. Has he improved in standing?

I don’t care if you don’t think he’s the problem. I think my point is going over the Adams-stans heads (all 2 of them): it’s not so black and white as to there only being 1 problem. It’s not a matter of “the” problem. Adams is A problem. Definitively. Like, if you can read all the data and not come to the conclusion he’s definitively and indisputably a problem, with all due respect I’d have to conclude one had zero idea what they were talking about and a scary inability to separate from bias we know he was an unqualified hire That ends the debate. He is unqualified, that’s a fact. Even if you stubbornly stick your head in the sand and refuse to glean anything at all from 5 years, you’d be wrong: Adams is a bad GM and a bad choice for GM

So no use trying, right

Yep we just don’t have enough evidence to draw a conclusion on Adams in 5 years i Hope if we ever get a new owner Kevyn Adams is still here to get the first cool 10 year term to find guys who want to be here

I didn’t say Adams is the biggest problem. There is no debate, here. Pegula is the biggest problem because he is the owner. Adams is a terrible GM, the worst in the nhl by a country mile and likely pro sports firing of any member of the staff would be welcome by me because something is better than nothing, if only to send a message of expectation. i literally *do not care* if Terry is worse. You and MJD can continue the straw man argument no one is having. No one is ever gojng to agree Kevyn Adams is “actually ok” which is the true Trojan horse at play. No. He’s awful. He should be fired. the “firing him won’t make any difference at all” (as IF one would know that. As IF Adam’s is *literally* a puppet who doesn’t GM at all at all and Terry manages the day to day, for some astronomically uncommonly weird reason) is just the latest form the “what could Kevyn Adams have even done?” logic has taken. It always spouts a new head

Team is a joke

They are too young and not representative of enough $ being spent. These are extremely documented negatives to winning it’s not on Indy at all heck it’s not even on Lindy

Agree. And I’d be converting any good future asset to a good present asset whenever possible. Presumably the 1st round pick has higher value than most if not all of our other future assets, if we get the same relative value in return as we’d be getting in a trade for any other young asset, of course I’m taking it. If it’s a good trade (the kind you make) we likely get the highest level of current asset with it that we can look to see from moves we may make. ie im not trading it just to trade it but it would be at the top of my list, all else equal. (Ie we are getting the same relative level of trade return across the board)

They are ALWAYS high on potential and low on overall talent. And the potential doesn’t “arrive” into the prioritized future as well as planned, ever, because we too thoroughly neglect the present. You can’t *have* future success without establishing success first, now. If that is true of any franchise ever it’s this one: we are totally poisoned from the top, down by being enveloped by painfully low-to-non-existent expectations for too many years. Winning isn’t part of the culture here: players don’t buy into it. We necessarily need vets baptized in other, winning based cultures. It literally doesn’t matter how much hypothetical winning we can envision for the future by projecting out our young talent, the “let there be light” moment is realizing the literal only thing that matters is making the playoffs right away. Sell-out to do it.

Imagine using another first overall pick on a D-man. Would be insanely bad asset management. If the top pick in a draft is a “stay at home” D-man, that’s by definition a weak draft. Trade the pick. We should be trading it unless teams’ offers are out of left field

Because that’s when they lost their 10th straight? It’s an absolute clown show at this point they need to fire someone Doing nothing and therefore labelling it all as acceptable when other teams make changes for oh so much less failure is so embarrassing

I’m flabbergasted by the logic of not