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Make no mistake, they are laughing at some of our “proposals”, too as far as I can decipher, the only largely common denominator I can glean is that we need to give up assets we don’t care about losing. Which is of course how trades work: you get good stuff and give up your garbage to get it.

Oh, it’s not a prospect we don’t care about, a roster player we don’t care about, and a 5th round pick? There must be some mistake

Winnipegers are notorious for this

But you said Rosen is a comparable in value, for you, and you think he’s worth at least a 1st. Considering the Flyers are reportedly not shopping Hart, if their evaluation lines up with yours I’d imagine they’d also have the barometer at at least a first. Is the implication of your last sentence that Hart is just more of the same to what we have in UPL and Comrie or am I misreading that

What about the 3 bad years thing you said

I think this is still too low but, going with it, is Rosen still worth the first round pick we used to get him? Or would you deal him for a 2nd, a UPL ish goalie? What about if they REALLY wanted to get your attention, by throwing in a 6th round pick, not this draft, but the next. How bout now?

4 of his 5 seasons, as a developing G trying to break into the league, behind a bad team, are at a .905 sv% or ABOVE. .917, .914, .877, .905, .907 Isnt the .877 the outlier? ...I know mystery box thinking is a big thing but I didn’t think it was THIS prevalent. Is the secret just.. not playing? Hart, as a young man, playing really pretty well tanks his value, because if he simply failed to seize a starting role in a decade, he’d be an “unknown” like Comrie with sky high potential retained? It’s just Schrödinger's cat, where we assume the unknown is best case scenario and punish and documented results that aren’t that “Peter Parker. Brilliant...but lazy.”

Thanks for this. So, a bonafide starting goalie who was about 15th out of 107 last year by the advanced metrics, who played over 50 NHL games last season, is worth roughly a prospect, mid pair d-man who might be an NHLer, in a few years. Just trying to take the temperature, this definitely suffices

My post was to work in congruence with yours, I agree with your Hart evaluations

What asset do we have that’s roughly equivalent to Hart? Doesn’t need to be a goalie. It’s difficult, but which player/prospect do we equate to roughly equal value?

That Avs win in 2001 over prime Brodeur/Devils, SANS Peter the Great, remains very impressive. That was a fantastic Colorado team, one of the great teams in my estimation, if you include Forsberg

That’s why I don’t get the Hart proposals. Why would they significantly downgrade for merely a second round pick? Just keep Hart? It’s a totally different situation to, say, Hellebuyck. I understand why we feel by market a second can get in done but I’d be shocked if Danny B felt that worth pulling the trigger

Which especially pays dividends in the playoffs. Scoring is so high now you tend to see forwards have the most impact during regular season games, but I’m super excited to see Dahlin (and, soon, Power) in the playoffs because I think we really stand to benefit from our best player, possibly our soon to be 2 best players, taking up the lion’s share of the ice time. Provided we solidify goalie. Its probably just my bias from being old and watching duos like Pronger / Niedermayer dominate back in the day but my hunch is we’re shaping up to have a duo that shines, particularly, in the playoff format

Anderson did pretty well n e wayz, here’s the link https://moneypuck.com/goalies.htm

I don’t mean this in snark, and it’s totally fine if you don’t agree with me, but I’ve typed *countless* words of late explaining my position on why we have a decade’s worth of working evidence on what Comrie is. Yes, he’s been evaluated. I don’t really wanna type it all again but I can link my post from yesterday if you like Too quick for me. I posted a second chart

And I don’t wanna hear about Sabre D. Craig Anderson finished 52nd with a 0.4

Preface - yes, I know, eXpEcTeD bY wHoOooOm? column on far right is expected goals. List is out of 107 There’s Hellebuyck in 4th. Carter Hart in 15th

Please

Is this like a Market thing or do you assess that to be a fair deal ie the difference between Comrie and Hart is a 2nd round pick in your estimation?

Why would the Flyers significantly downgrade for a 2nd rounder, though?

Probably my faith in Levi that adds to my Hellebuyck preference. But as mentioned, I’d still be tickled pink to add Hart. We can compare/contrast the numbers to your Comries of the world but for me it basically ends at the fact Hart started more games last season than Comrie has in his career, spanning a decade. He’d be the first bonafide starter Adams brought in, in 3 years On the other hand...