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That’s why I prefer to operate based on achieving a goal next season. An eye to results. It creates a scenario where we need not fear either. We didn’t need to commit long term this summer to Casey The tragedy would be pencilling Krebs into 3C next year based on his finish and not the season as a whole

This is exactly it. Team building. We are at that point. It’s not about the long term cap or long term success or this guy’s potential. What does it do for the team, right now. Is the likelihood we make the playoffs next season greater, or lesser, because of this deal? It’s the only factor that matters to me, the solitary bit that is not noise I think, for me, I would need to hear KA say he THINKS the deal makes us better, next season. Not merely a possibility. He would say he definitely feels like he won the trade, right? That’s the implication of making the trade at all. Like we can start there, right? Or he wouldn’t have made it. So he thinks the trade will make us better. Would he say he feels the most likely scenario is that Byram is better than Casey NEXT year? Would he say he thinks it’s a toss up who improves the team more next season? Would he say he thinks it’s slightly more likely Mittelstadt represents the better player next season, but he likes the long term projection? To me, the first 2 are fine The third option would be unacceptable Basically, the only part of his evaluation I care about is who he thinks will be better NEXT year If Adams think it will improve the team next season, he needs to make it because he needs to fail or succeed by a true installation of his plan. It’s the only way it can be fairly judged. I want him to make that move If Adams made the deal because he think it’s short term pain for long term gain, I absolutely hate it and don’t need to see anything more

He might still lead our forwards in scoring by seasons end

Right on time given my quoted post below, Something to sink our teeth into ^ So you would say you find it a reasonable likelihood that, in KA’s reckoning, this improves the team next season?

Question: As mentioned, I can definitely see the talent with Byram. From a team building standpoint I find it confusing. But, for someone/those more confident than me in this trade ending up beneficial: Do you see the trade potentially improving the team as soon as next season? Would you argue that is likely? Or is that more best case scenario, with your likely estimation being we see net improvement further down the line? What say you? I’m open to the idea Byram could end up the better player but it literally only matters, for me, if it can happen for next season

I mean, they are 2.5 years apart. If you keep Casey yes you have the better player now, and maybe Byram’s improvement gets him back to what he was. But why isn’t Casey being afforded that same likelihood? If I had to guess who was more likely to improve, I’d go with Casey, given trajectory Also I don’t really agree with the Tuch comp. Casey is younger, and also Tuch was in the midst of a career outlier season. Casey’s saw a progression and back to back 60 point seasons

Congrats, you won the deal in the past i have some HD DVDs you might be interested in

You should stop whining incessantly about Dahlin then, under the prism of our own argument. Casey was bad so he’s always bad. Fine Dahlin is generational whether you like it or not. That’s what people thought, right? We need to stick to it. that’s your argument

Gets quoted all the time around here by people who follow this stuff more than I do In fairness my leeway for spending time arguing this is low because the scenario where we DO have the “highest ranked pool” means demonstrably nothing, so it’s not an avenue for much potential invigorating discussion

Definitely unfair to claim negative reaction as reflexive. Plenty of data points to suggest the deal is questionable, looking purely in a vacuum As soon as I saw LHD my heart sank. It goes against principles I’ve argued against in the past. It’s worrying positionally and due to injury concerns. And relative to giving up the forward who’s HAVING the best season, if that bridges that gap for you

Good show

I honestly don’t understand this reference either but 10/10 for entertainment value

What role did Kadri play in depth chart?

If our best forward can’t even get the right shot we need, I struggle to see why lesser assets would I mean this in sincerity: you shouldn’t hope for someone as good as Byram because we just cashed in the most valuable chip we had and that’s what it was worth Also we were ranked mid-pack on lots of prospect lists. Athletic was the outlier not that it matters. Prospect strength doesn’t matter

Bowy will fit right in with Cozy and Krebsy. Want to be here.

It’s been a long, time time since it’s even been theoretically possible for us to dismiss “timeline to success” as a factor. His argument collapses upon itself by needing to use “prospect” to make its point

Had nothing to do with what? Injuries are a continuing factor. Inability to stick with the nhl is a lost variable If Byram was only close in games because Casey was sent down while Byram instead was hurt, yes, it doesn’t diminish the injury concern

You think Byram is actually better, right now? I legitimately thought you were gassing Savoie could be his equal by next season? I can’t make heads or tails of this. That’s an impossibility

“What could KA have even done? Good trade or bad, this was his only option” is the only truly putrid take. Like the trade or don’t, but if there’s one iota of, “well, what do you want, this is the best we could get”, just…SMH

9 less because Byram actually hasn’t been injured as much or because Casey got sent down? Actually asking So “what even was there?” Still applies, even when just keeping the asset was an option lol good to know

It’s a good practice in theory. Crunching the advanced stats so you can buy low on actual production in favour of potential un-mined value can lead to good additions to the team in the vein of Eric Comrie and the like