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That seems logical to me edit: actually, does it? this bears thinking about. Probably need to let this tumble dry for a bit

As a matter of practicality I don’t see how the model *can* account for it - my point is a function of team building not raw value comp. Let’s see if I can actually convey this- Even if the model has accurately figured out the ratio and a hypothetical +1 is exactly 1/7th the on ice value of a +7, a team won’t get as much value from the 7 pieces as the 1 due to dominance of role if you could figure out EXACTLY what McDavid’s talent was and you divided it among 23 players, which do you take? McDavid or the 23?

Well if we score 254 (269 last year) and save 10 more extra, we’ll go from a -20 to a -25. If we score 254 and the D save us 20, we’ll get to -15

Agree, but interesting also in terms of the mechanics of how a breakdown like that translates. Cause it’s obv not an exact comp - whatever number you a lot to McDavid, say, +20 you aren’t getting equivalent value from 20, +1 players. I don’t necessarily see a +9 accumulated majorly on the fringes as equivalent to adding a +9 to your top six

With our internal cap it’s actually the ~750m dollar question

Sorry i didn’t mean ever I meant this offseason You listed a 54 goal improvement above something like that would certainly qualify

We need dishers

Right candidly i don’t think +impact on the fridges will translate to much of anything at all, as is usually the case. I don’t think 20 Nickels makes a dollar in the nhl, is what I’m saying. More less to me still looks like my “willing to write off JJ / Kesselring as a wash” to my eye when digging in a bit (with of course them actually preferring Kesselring by a non-negligible margin) if that’s the case we could very well be at a “probably a little bit improved, likely not enough” take you see floating around from liger and others

Oh ok so it’s their own scale/assigned ratings, thanks. Kinda cool where does the other +7 come from, after subtracting Peterka’s 4 from Kesselrings’s 6? 1/2 each to danforth Lyon Doan and Timmins? And the guys we ditched are all zeroes?

Anyways; if you are right it means we needed to improve by 35 goals. Have we done that?

I think the way it works is you get to a certain amount of points/place in standings and the team makes it regardless of differential haha, but I take your meaning But when it says “net rating added” does that refer to plus minus?

I’m asking if it refers to standings points or goal differential We were -20 so a +9 would get us to -11

Oh ya I definitely agree though we’ve been in “could be good” territory for a while. Unfortunately it just doesn’t matter anymore - at least in terms of re-writing the assessment of Adams They absolutely will EVENTUALLY win. It’s well past the point of any current long tenured staff member getting credit for it

does the +9 refer to standings points? So the projection is an Eichel-esque WAR from Kesselring to the tune of missing the playoffs by (79+9) by 7 points?

You can’t forget that JJ, as a young player was through with his development and at his ceiling, and that the young players we have still are only just scraping the surface of their development - can’t forget that variable

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Can you imagine how screwed this franchise would be if we had any sort of reasonable expectation? Their apparent handcuffs in fielding a cup winning team are notable - I can admit that but its so, so far neither here nor there. If there’s one thing they sabres have been successful at aside from plausible deniability it’s successfully lowering expectations and the bar for success. the saving grace, our beloved excuse annihilator, is the fact we are only asking for a solitary playoff appearance and even the bad teams do that it’s still right there for them..we haven’t all left yet

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It angers me there’s such a built in excuse for Adams We never spend, weren’t going to this year, regardless And here it is Christmas Day for plausible deniability: their greatest strength Vomit Catches breath Vomit

Hard out there for a pimp, I guess especially if your pimp’s name is Kevyn Adams

Isn’t Vilardi unsigned over here in the peg? Latest projection i saw was 7.5 mil Add in samberg and kupari to vilardi and they’ll be adding another ~ 15 mil so they should get to ~ 3 mil on space remaining. Think we are on track for about 5

I’m just teasing you, relax im not saying you are defending Adams. I definitely do disagree with you that Norris isn’t viewed as the key “addition”, though, along with Kesselring I can only see a whopping level of faith in the lad when I look at the F group and the lack of moves and also the subtraction there we saw

Ya the last time we eclipsed 90 points. Where exactly are you getting lost, here? Presumably the goal is to field a team that’s actually good Isn’t Norris supposed to be our 2C, at LEAST next season? He sure as hell *better* be a key addition dude or we ain’t making any noise It’s not even a matter of opinion - Norris being a key addition is functionally worked into any success of Adams’ plan Your stance is bizarre You get too hung up trying to contradict me for sport and it gets you into trouble

The reason for that is intrinsic to the player We were a bad team when cozens was playing well, I do find it funny everyone forgets that. The idea of replacing cozens is to re-establish what we had there when he was GOOD - that’s what we need at 2C. Norris being marginally better than a poorly performing player doesn’t get us anywhere, and even this is no guarantee as he struggles to get on the ice at all Being like, “Norris represents the avenue for improvement at F we need if everything goes right with him” DOES sound like Adams and it’s why many called that as the “key” addition at F its possible. It’s not likely but it’s possible, and it’s Adams, very Adams It’s pretty safe to say I think a big part of the reason we’ve seen so little at F *is* because KA has a lot of faith in Norris. We’ll see if he can catch and eclipse the poor Cozens, first, then we’ll have to see if we can make some ground in bridging the gap to the 2C play and improvement we actually need.