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You are the closest anyone trying to dial down the issue to ONE moment is wrong - that’s not even close to having an understanding of the tank, of the issue that has plagued this team, and it’s what most misses the mark the central issue with the story of the historical ineptitude of the sabres is that there *CAN’T* have been one solitary issue or decision to make the team this bad, for this long. There is no definitive worst decision. There is no decision that comes *close*, close, to justifying the results we seen. There have been multitude of opportunities to turn the situation around, especially with such low expectations there is no one worst decision. It’s about the fact they continually appear capable of prioritizing anything but winning Closer again

lol clockwork re: my tone thing How on earth do you read that as an attempt at a burn? I was saying I’m frequently invoked along with “odd” In other words, a joke. About myself But by all means continue your streak of erroneously quoting me*

This is how, you remind meee, of what I really am… It's not like you, to say sorry, I was wait- wait what

What part of historical ineptitude don’t people get? That’s the friggen oxymoron irony here, you say I endlessly belabour the Adams point and yet it NEVER HAS TAKEN HOLD yet lmao He is *historically* bad. i’m not using the words for emphasis. It’s embarrassing. We are catastrophically, unusually bad and when I say dudacek would make a better GM that’s not snark it’s a notion I hope gains traction If I had a nickel

How is it nonsense? Tone can be hard in writing but you frequently off the mark by a mile with me: it could be me - I don’t know. But that doesn’t mean it’s not off the mark I meant it literally. If Adams was actually building by the principles dudacek is outlining we’d be a playoff team i don’t think enough give credence to the idea that there can be viable reasons for something to work without those things ever having been the focal point, or even potentially something they were necessarily aware of and how is that a nonsense point? If they aren’t actually making the decisions FOR the right reasons what chance do we think they have of replication?? if Adams had the eye dudacek has, we wouldn’t be seeing such a lack of the types of moves dudacek outlined the benefits of

No, I don’t think so. I think these are reasonable and workable conclusions you draw by analyzing the players, because you have an apt and more importantly eager hockey mind. They aren’t looking at it in this way, not that deeply. jj wasn’t being moved until he asked to - it wasn’t a plan, they didn’t have a plan, here. They will count on Sammy because they counted on him years ago to the tune of a huge deal when he hadn’t even established as an NHLer yet. The dye was cast long long ago you know that! “Will Sammy be better cause JJ no longer…” yadda yadda - no. Im not saying that dismissively but factually (at least in terms of what I actually think is happening). They aren’t thinking that deep lol. They already loved Sammy. They’ll count on Sammy because Adams has tied his wagon to Sammy. He formulated that plan after JJ asked out? Or, he knew of it before hand but just wasn’t going to do anything about it? Doesn’t make sense. The calculation was that Adams liked Kesselring - we do know that from reputable in the knows. Once it became apparent JJ had to be his big (and only) trade chip, he used him to get Kesselring. Doan is simply bPA on someone’s list - and it’s not a list that was put together with team building consideration you’ll find a way to make it make sense because you should be the GM If Adams was actually using similar team building considerations we’d have made the playoffs, but then Adams couldn’t have been Adams, at all - - - Adams is ridiculously one track minded his “thing” this summer was rhd we even saw it at the draft. He’s a complete imbecile (general manager wise) - it’s not just something we say

I feel like it’s indisputable goaltending metrics improve with better defensive play because they’ll take less good shots and let in less goals. And good goalie play would increase D metrics as they’d be on the ice for less against I’m not sure there’s evidence to suggest we’ve improved anywhere, but yes, assuming improvement in one facet I think it bleeds into others this is functional in the shell game argument I always make. Issues can manifest in more than one way. I don’t think it’s guarantee our offence produces to the rate it was if our team D is more effective. Without proper outside supplementation it’s tended to yo-yo year over year The issues of youth and inexperience and lack of overall talent tent to pop up in different places when one hole is plugged maybe whack a mole is a better analogy. But same principle

A) I’m as right as ever, frankly I’m more right than ever, can’t remember the last thing I missed, b) I think that’s what leads to the tone. Yokels like you disagreeing because you have a complex. You argue against Adams philosophies any time but unless it’s me on the other end. ive got your number have you been more right than wrong? Your predictions from last year are almost laughably bad, if that’s any indication 😬 Hey congrats on calling Tage tho

For the record, I understand you use “scoring” to just mean goals but it gets confusing and that’s why you get responses like that because in the nhl scoring refers to points https://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/seasons/nhl-players-stats.html It’s basically like saying Sidney Crosby was born in America what? He’s Canadian Ya that’s what I meant, he’s North American Goal scoring is goal scoring. The connotation for “scoring” in the nhl is points just like if you say “America” everyone knows what that means

Yes and Quinn will have 80 points last year Or was that the year before? I always try to stick with your predictions as opposed to my demonstrably more accurate ones

Start with points, or continue being wrong it’s honestly your call lol No one is ignoring all of the other context - listing it out doesn’t beef up your argument it simply belabours a nothing point Assists were not *mentioned* until i did so

Agree and JJ does things like that on goals he doesn’t get the points for I just think all else being equal the guys with the higher point totals are the guys contributing most to offence when we traded Eichel you wouldn’t say “goals” would you? Well you probably would but it wouldn’t be very fair would it? You are sort of over complicating what I’m saying. I’m simply saying it makes more sense to look at points than goals. It’s not perfect but it’s closer

83 points in, 124 points out - that’s your better starting point Your more objective starting point It’s not 33% more out, as simplifying to “goals” would suggest. I’d wager it’s far closer to the ~50% marker using all points would suggest

I know you made reference to “there’s more to it” but it’s an X for me because assist totals for me aren’t “more to it.” They are simply “it.” That’s raw offence. ”Goals scored that’s 34 in, 46 out. It’s not 20 or 30 the defence needs to make up, it’s 12. But it’s way more complicated than that. How will the moves affect the power play, the PK, line chemistry, line matchups, situational deployments, the forecheck, the backcheck, puck battles, rush offence, rush defence, exits and entries, the cycle game, getting to the net, blocking out, D zone structure, the room…?” This reads pretty firmly as “it’s 12 goals, for offence, and then other stuff” I just disagree. Assists deserve to be included with / attributed to raw offence. The “goals” we will need to replace. It’s not chemistry, or rush offence, or any of the stuff you mentioned it’s offence. The calculation doesn’t start at 34 in, 46 out. I don’t think it’s just an oversimplification - I think it’s an oversimplification to the extent of being functionally meaningless in terms of a discussion point

Yes he did ask for a trade before the injury. He asked for a trade in 2020 upon hearing of the Adams plan to long form rebuild in line with EEE

Awful ordering. The McNabb trade worse than ROR is a farce and the Kane trade was far closer to a great big heap of nothingness than our very worst trade. The jets got nothing from it either. The build didn’t fail because we lost a 1st round pick they don’t even take issue with the players - their take away is it tried to “win too quickly.” After all we’ve seen, for that to be the takeaway is high comedy. Our issue has been the exact opposite

That was the best part about trading Eichel- you don’t trade playmaking, just “goals” What did Eichel have his last year? 2 goals? 2 goals out. Mathing. - - - You don’t want to trade a guy like Norris cause his goals assist ratio is too weighted towards goals you trade playmakers or guys with high assist totals - the “goals out” calculation doesn’t need to take that into equation so it’s a pretty damn good strategy Honestly have we considered moving Dahlin? Had we moved Dahlin for Doan we’d only have been out 6 goals. That would have been my move Peterka had 41 assists last year. The Kesselring, Doan, Norris combo had 47, combined Peterka had 41 assists last year. jAsh Norris has 67, in 8 years since being drafted

Here you go They could do their jobs - that’s always an option

Calling Kulich and Quinn “untouchables” is high comedy - that’s not hyperbole. You cannot actually be serious. Not “only for the right return” you are calling them off limits. Absurd. You sound like rangers fans re: Eichel There’s a certain comfort in retreating back to having zero expectation and “collecting” your team ala EA sports nhl don’t really need to win if you can just be happy talking about your little collection of players online - in language you feel comes off balanced and reasonable but actually, demonstrably only exists in that form as a means to an end in and of itself: the laying out of the players you are mentally collecting in verbiage you find satisfying. Its objective horse *****

I’ve enjoyed watching you slowly morph back into Kevyn Adams this summer We’ve gone back to 2022 Need to have patience with the Adams plan

That’s a great way to put the distinction

It’s funny they’ve basically proceeded to get younger instead of older until maybe now haha

This will be the 4th year straight they are one of the 4 youngest teams

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What, ugly Bradley Cooper and Adam Sandler’s non-talent acting friend don’t do anything for her?