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What weave got here, is a failure to communicate

To weave or not to weave

That he did “It just seemed that we were heading towards another…I don’t want to say rebuild but, we weren’t really in a position that we were going to try and win. I went to the team and said I wasn’t really happy with the idea of that. If that’s the route they wanted to take, maybe it would be better to move me, to use me as a jumpstart.”

It doesn’t HAVE to be: but the team building aspects of this trade are up for debate as much as any, and we aren’t talking in general here we are talking about this deal specifically - the trade fails utterly on both sides of the equation -the actual production that has resulted since 2021 is heavily one-sided in their favour -MORE importantly, the actual strategy informing the trade (rebuild) was incredibly misguided. Adams electing for a long form build on the heels of missing 9 years has proven to be disastrous, already. We’ve missed the playoffs 5 years. His plan failed

Winds online around Adams are changing…

- - - Baker is just swimming in an embarrassment of riches. Over a decade of fattening up to the brim in the luxury sweet with prospect content the Elon musk of hockey prospects. No one has lived a more robust sporting life than Sabres prospect prognosticators since 2011 The most magical thing - when do you think the point was he and the others realized that it *literally* didn’t matter how these players and their prognostications turned out by way of the nhl, by way of team success? that the fawning over the prospects doing prospect things was the means to it’s end in itself? the freedom. or, better said: the Racket

Say what you want about 14 years. I’ve been assured this dude will make the wait worth it

I agree with the implication here, too: FA and trades won’t build a winner, Nashville failing proves that, doesn’t matter about the last 100 years of the league, what have you done for me lately? Their example proves the direction folly

McDavid like impacts I agree

It’s difficult to make heads or tails of tbh If we enter into camp with Kulich as a top 6 C we are already screwed It’s literally the definition of insanity - - - @thewookie1care to follow up or are you good with leveling your cowardly X and retreating to the shadows? What say you? Please, explain to me why the Reinhart trade wasn’t a disaster, why that’s worked out reasonably for our squad ftr: if you are going to say “we had to trade him”…I’ll just get ahead of it and say, honestly…that’s genius. I never thought of that, it’s totally true, we can’t really blame Kevyn Adams, I agree we need to have patience, and we need to see this out till at least 2030 Fans will NEVER be happy with this team, no matter what they do. It’s sort of unfair to the team. What can they even do? No matter what they try, the fans complain. I think the fans just want to be unhappy

I hope we get to hear more from Chad and co that we just need to “get it over the finish line”, followed by a refrain of, “you can’t put it on Adams” well, which is it?

Dude I KNOW development isn’t linear - that’s a key aspect of what I’m trying to say. I haven’t given up on Quinn at all. Learned my lesson with Reinhart. I do think Kulich would be good but the way KA tends to operate… look, if we pencil in Kulich for 2C next year, we *aren’t planning and allowing for non-linear development* if the mandate is playoffs! As only with linear dev would Kulich provide the necessary play. We’d be counting on him to AVOID common development pitfalls. we need to look at these players *by way of contribution to a team that makes the playoffs* You are analyzing as if the goal is to farm players. That’s not the goal. The goal is to make the playoffs

I definitely am not getting my central point across or you aren’t reading it: it’s not about peak production. That’s a tiny aspect. Our evaluation metrics are truly warped, after all this time. The trade was disastrous *for the course of the team*, first and foremost if Kulich scores 40 goals next year I’ll sit here and say the same thing: awful trade - - - Our avatars are so similar now!

I did not say we got nothing for Reinhart. I said the trade was terrible

I BEG you to extrapolate out Quinn’s numbers from last year. Go look at the projections for this season. How many times do we need to see the same thing play out?

I cannot believe this is still coming up: no, we did not have to trade Reinhart. Adams bridged him. Reinhart is on record saying he was open to a LT deal at the time I like how in the conversation you’ve taken on the role of defending, to use your name, GM howdy doody. And for what, to cling to your original point that the trade is “showing value”? I truly do not care. The trade was awful. We didn’t have to trade him you want me to concede we didnt “get nothing” for Reinhart. I didn’t say we got nothing. I said the trade was a disaster, and it was. The disaster has *already happened*, I think you are missing this aspect of my point

This, but unironically

There is almost zero chance Adams makes a top 6 addition now

Don’t worry guys, Kevyn Adams has other stuff going

Aside from a better winning %

Pencil him in as the 2C next year!

But I mean for the record, the narrative would be that had Adams made a proper offer for EP, they’d have made the swap and kept Miller but it doesn’t even matter to me to debate that. I’m comfortable resting my laurels (among other things) on the results or lack thereof

I merely blame him for fielding a terrible hockey team every year

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