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Adams is the guy who specifically signed up for the “I will fire those guys, I can do it with less” plan. Part and parcel. Pegula’s strategy is Adams strategy is Pegula’s strategy. Pegula picked Adams *because* he was amendable to the skill set he was looking for in a GM. Spending to the cap is one thing, but the value we’d have gained from being used as a broker or retaining is not negligible but also not particularly noteworthy either in the grand scheme of all the potential avenues to construct a team. An extra pick or two, for a GM already reluctant to trade picks. We aren’t lacking pick/prospect currency to make moves, we have an abundance, there’s no way the loss of an asset or two presented an obstacle to making the playoffs because it didn’t present an obstacle to making trades A bad team will make the playoffs this year. Pegula sucks but he doesn’t present an obstacle to making the playoffs because making the playoffs isn’t hard

No I disagree. It’s probably close to the beginning of the end. NHL prime for forwards is statistically ~23-24 I’m not saying he won’t be a good player for a good while longer, but speaking specifically of prime years it’s quite unlikely they’ll be found within any year where his age starts with a 3.

Thomson was such a relatively late bloomer that I feel like we can already see the horizon of the end of his prime and it just started. Almost always a drop off once you near 30 Was always difficult reading posts projecting out our top line from last year like 4 years into the future for when Benson and Co are in theirs. More likely we hope the top line last year can shift gracefully into a line 2. Though, people already want Skinner gone. It’s tough to let a season like last for our forwards go to waste.

Plenty of courage I see…not a bad mind either. There’s talent, oh yes…and a thirst to prove themselves. But where to put them for next year?

Professional nhl teams already paying the guys big contracts worth millions of dollars also don’t devote entire seasons to learning one particular aspect of hockey. I don’t get that idea also maybe a kindly mod could merge these postings

A declaration to fans who just don’t have the ability to see the big picture like *you* do, that they aren’t smart enough to see the “pretty obvious” path we are on. The best type of post imo. The type that’s literally bursting at the seams with excitement at the prospect of chastising fans in the future

This is a definite negative/potential pitfall of this particular type of strategy

That’s what I was mentioning before. There’s probably as strong or stronger a correlation be strong prospect pool and nhl failure going forward than success. It’s provably predictive, just not in the way we like

Well, technically what Adams preached is a perennial Cup contender ie just getting into the playoffs isn’t good enough. Ie we are sacrificing all this development time under the scenario where that’s the price we pay for greatness. So one could make the argument that if we spent all this extra time prioritizing the future over the now only to become a perennial playoff team, the strategy failed by the prism of its own standards. Certainly, making the playoffs and taking 5 years to do it isn’t “job well done”, now. Shouldn’t take that long and the expectation was to make it this year. But honestly, I’m willing to write off the “perennial cup contender” stuff as media jargon, and the whole thing as spin in the name of job security. At the end of the day we want the exact same thing as *every* team and spinning the way you’ll get to it probably amounts to bet-hedging in the end. I’m happy judging by a more league-relative standard. I don’t need greatness from the plan, I just need league relative competence. I’ll happily take a “mere” playoff team. As mentioned - that should have been this year. Did the plan fail this year? Yes. Do I think it’s solid enough to the extent it could succeed, to the tune of a playoff berth, if we stick with it? Yes. I’ve said it a lot: Adams should get next year. But that doesn’t mean the strategy should stagnate. It should be ever evolving and a greater aggressiveness is strictly necessary for next season when imo Adams is definitively on the hottest of seats

Typo. Should just say picks. The contention with Murray was always his dealing of picks not prospects. And I’ve posted the research on here a few times for anyone who actually wants to look it up: Botterill traded more than he brought in relative to Murray and Murray made more picks.

Did Matthews relocate?

Even in Junior he was seen as a more staight-forward type player. Perhaps that pointed to a lack of IQ awareness / playmaking. He has his stretches where he excels in that area but his raw physical traits have always been his best asset

Nah Reinhart called Adams to say thank you which was thoroughly detailed in that beyond blue and gold so we’re good

First Krueger year, right? Though I guess we’re in the 4th Donny year so whatever

I find I’m in the crazy pills minority know this: he hit him DIRECTLY in the head. I thought it was a good call. Probably makes contact even without the lean

I was a Reinhart guy and 55 still looks insane next to his name

Lundell was right there but Quinn looks good Hell Reinhart was right there

3 on 3 is an abomination

Stitch under

If we get to 40 wins, the season is a success

Will we make the playoffs when we stop the M W stuff? Or will we stop the M W stuff when we finally make the playoffs? 21 goals for a D is pretty cool

Dude, re: your last paragraph: you quoted ME. I didn’t “come at you.” I respect your overall posting contributions. I’m just telling you outright not to waste your time: if you respond to me with a big long write-up about how it’s “harder than people think it is” - it’s misplaced. Misplaced based on who you are responding to. I do not agree with your assessment and I ESPECIALLY do not agree I don’t have an understanding for the difficulties doing it. Calling into question my understanding of the way the NHL works. If you want to post to the cows come home about how “people are complaining on message boards and they just don’t get it, it’s so much harder than they think” that’s fine! but you *specifically quoted me* lol. I’m just saying: save it.

Point 2 is sort of what I’m referring to re:goalies next season being decided. Hopefully the Comrie treatment doesn’t affect perception of FA in general (it might) but it absolutely would for goalies

I guess they have no interest in “doing right by the player” here, eh? more less guarantees they have their 2 goalies penciled in for next year.