mjd1001

Deliberatley obfuscated the numbers? Really, c'mon now, I NEVER type in a bad number unless its by mistake. I typed 15 goals instead of 14 goals, ands that is the point you are going to make? that is deliberately obvuscating the numbers? Thats a joke. Its called a MISTAKE and it was by one goal and STILL did not change the results of my argument. You want to keep telling me I'm wrong, or saying ONE mistake I made by ONE goal is DELIBERATELY OBFUSCATING the numbers? You bet I'll call you a schill for your argument and probably a lot more. You throwing out numbers that you choose does not make you correct. Its also a joke that since I value different numbers, you come at me and just say what I say is "incorrect". And the teammate argument? I can say, and somewhat believe that the 3rd line is the EASIEST line to play on. Kulich playing with Tage usually means he is playing against the other teams best shutdown guys. The lines Benson is on...usually means he is NOT given the 4th line assignment of shutting down the opposing teams top line, but neither is he facing the other teams top shut down guys. Again, You may disagree with me thats fine. But its a bit juvenile coming back at someone and jumping all over a 1 goal error or saying its incorrect or wrong because I am judging people on using different metrics than you. I'm ALL for using advanced stats to support an argument, but I never use them as the end-all-be-all of winning my argument, apparently you do. Whatever I guess. You think Benson is a better player right now. I think Kulich is. Fine, just stop escalating your rhetoric at me about it...we disagree, get over it.

Yes it is. Goal scoring to me is production. Assists are secondary to goals, and secondary assists are often times 'statistical noise'. 12.0 to 9.7% over a season, is a sizable difference to me. You want to carry the water for Benson and be a schill for his gameplay fine. I'm not saying he is bad. Just don't go and tell me what the 'truths' are of who is better or more productive based on YOUR definition of it. In no world of mine is the goals Benson has equal to the 'production' of Kulich. Not even mentioning the fact that Kulich has a few multi-goal games and/or game winners. Meaning I have some memory of some of his goals being important with respect to winning games. I don't have that with Benson yet.

As i explained in the above post, I do think he has been a better player than Benson. And I think expected goals can be useful, but that is not the end-all-be-all of stats to show it. His possession numbers may not be as good, but his production is much better, and at this point in their careers, they still have a chance to 'learn' the overall game, but I want to see production. Benson's underlying metrics are pretty good, maybe really good for someone his age and the team he is on. I just see Kulich making plays and scoring goals to actively help this team win. I need to see more of that from Benson.

Of course its correct, no idea why you are making this more complicated than I meant it to be, as I was referring to him being the better scorer, which in part leads me to him being the better player (he is playing with better linemates, but the matchups he is facing are a lot worse than what Benson is facing). Kulich has 15 goals in 54 games and is shooting over 12% Benson has 10 goals in 67 games and is shooting in the single digits. This year Kulich is the better goal scorer, and from what I see a player contributing to wins overall better than Benson.

That would be an excellent #2 center on a playoff team. For some reason people think 20 goals is third line territory. This was posted in another thread with links to the data, but an average 2ND line center is right around 20 goals (actually a bit less). If you think he is good defensively (many do)...and above average defensive player with 20 goals is actually a good 2nd line center. Maybe not the best 2nd line center in the league, but there are playoff teams that don't get that production, at least not with good defensive responsibility going with it. Now, if someone wants to say they don't want to rely on him to get 20 goals ever year....if someone says he is a 3C because they only expected 10-15 goals out of him..then sure, he is a 3C. But if you think you can get 20+ goals out of him with good defensive play...then you want that guy on the ice for 17+ minutes per game. Guess what? 3rd line centers don't get 17+ minutes per game, that is what 2nd line players get.

No proof for this, but I'll throw it out there... As a 4th line center, you aren't going to 'pass up' a great scoring chance if its there, but you might not work hard to try to get it. Your game, your job might simply be keep the puck in the offensive zone. Work it into the corners. Basically, run time/kill time while McDavid and/or Draisaitl get a rest. Again, that might be an oversimplification...but my point is he may not have 'worked' as hard for prime scoring chances as he is allowed to do now. Of course NHL edge stats say otherwise. Last year with Edmonton, he had more 'high danger' chances per game than he does this year with the Sabres. Last year he had 42 "high danger" shots in 81 games, this year he has 29 in 71 games. So maybe the above point isn't even true. Then again, their definition of a high danger chance is just how close to the net are you....last year he could have just been whacking away at loose pucks in front of the net where this year he is actually trying to legit score. I'm not sure.

I'm going to agree with you on most, but I'd say Kulich is the one I am most encouraged by. Cozens and Quinn have actually hurt the team when they are on the ice....Benson might be very good eventually, but I think this board (in general) drastically over-rates his play. Kulich....For a first year NHL player, he is scoring goals at a better than 1 game in 4 pace. Now, will he improve on that? I don't know. But this year, among all the guys you listed (Even Cozens) I think he has clearly been the best overall player to me.

Adams brought in both McLeod and Bryam. With that said, despite Bryams pedigree, that he had a big cup run, that he was a very high draft pick...and McLeod has 'less of a pedigree', I think McLeod is more valuable right now, and even looking forward. I think Bryam is "OK", but I think his game went from 'good' when he got there and has slid into "just OK". At least at this moment, McLeod is more valuable to this team.

I'm not in the "get rid of Quinn" mode like I was with Cozens. But as of even the last few weeks, I still see huge holes in his game. What my eyes tell me (still even up to now) is in the offensive zone he really doesn't make his own shot all that much. In the neutral zone and Defensive zone, he's practically invisible. I don't expect amazing things, but he might be the forward on this team that engages on the boards and comes away with the loose puck or wins battles less than any other forward. Then, that is what my eyes see, do the numbers back it up? I think so. The last 5 games he has been put with McLeod as his center, who has some of the best defensive numbres on the team. McLeod has not brought up Quinns analytics, in fact Quinn has brought down McLeods numbers. Just looking back over the last 5 games, Quinn's line has 16 'scoring chances' generated even strength, while allowing 36 (and this is in less than 60 minutes of ice time). So again, to repeat myself, I don't see him generating his own shot, I don't see him gaining possession of the puck or winning any battles. And almost all the analytics (not just scoring chances, but Fenwick, Corsi, High danger chances...etc) are still way negative. Which on their own doesn't mean much, but it supports what I see. 16 scoring chances generated and 36 allowed in under 60 minutes of even strenght ice time...that is really really bad, Based on what I see, I would expect THOSE numbers to continue, and not his 40% shooting percentage over those 4 games. If he is scoring, that is great, that is what he needs to do. But when he doesn't score, he hurts the team.

When they play well...it doesn't surprise me. Its been the same issues (mostly) the entire year. Thompson, Tuch, and Dahlin scored. There are your 3 best players. They are all currently playing and don't look to be playing hurt. That is key #1. You got decent-to-good goaltending. You don't need a Vezina winner behind this team to make the playoffs, just decent-to-good. That is key #2. A game by one single player by Cozens can lose a team a game, and the Sabres were fighting that most of the year with him here. On the Tuch Goal, Cozens was right there, He was in position to either take out Tuch or clear the puck, he did neither, he kinda just stood there not knowing what to do or which way to look. In a big Scrum behind the Sabres net, Cozens skated the other way. And of course, the awful giveaway right onto Krebs stick for the goal. Cozens had games like that for the Sabres quite a bit. You removed that player from your roster. (As much as people think Quinn turned the corner with his scoring lately, I am not convinced. I still think he is invisible unless someone puts the puck on his stick for him, and he's almost as bad as Cozens without the puck) Defense. Its not as bad as it looks in front of the 'bad UPL', but still needs improvement. Dahlin is fine. You would LIKE one more very, very good D-man. They don't have it yet. Do you wait/can Power develop into it? Maybe, but hesnot here yet. Is it Bryam? I don't think so. The more I watch Byram, the more I get the vibes of a "below average overall D-man who happens to skate well but that's it". IF Tage and Tuch and Dahlin are healthy, and IF you get above average goaltending, and by removing the forwards from this team that hurts you (Cozens and possibly Quinn), this Can be a playoff team. The problem is, those are a lot of "IFs". You can't rely on all of them happening all the time. The win feels great after a pretty good week or two. I'm sure things will be different around here after the next 2 game losing streak. (Actually, kidding, the next time they lose a single game by 2+ goals things will be a lot different around here)

How many goals would UPL have let in if he were in net?

Situation dictates a little, but ice time is always fun to look at to see who the coach thinks is playing a good game or wants out there. Through 2 periods: Forwards: McLeod leads AGAIN, 13:02. Thompson with 12:37 is 2nd, Peterka 3rd at 11L46. Bottom 3 are Malenstyn, Kozak, and Lafferty all with just over 5 minutes. D-men: Samuelsson leads with 15:36. Byram 2nd at 15:28. Dahline is 3rd at 14:54. Samuelsson has been playing a bit better the last couple weeks (he has 2 assists and is a +3 so far today), and he has been 'rewarded' with more ice time. I'm curious as to Lindy's opinion of him right now. He's on his way to his 4th game in the las 6 with over 20 minutes of ice time.

I will take the 1-2 dumb defensive plays by Thompson a game (most don't lead to goals against anyway) for how much he generates in the offensive zone. He doesn't need a great paymaking center, he generates so much himself. He has an elite shot and is borderline-elite with the puck in traffic and setting his own shot up. I don't think Reimer is anything special, even the last few weeks. He has been 'decent'. It just goes to show you this defense isn't as bad as many think when you have a 'decent' goaltender behind them instead of the 2024-25 version of UPL.

Ok, I didn't see the replay of that entire scrum, but what I did see is everyone went to the corner and squared off with each other, and Cozens kinda just skated around looking away from it until it settled down. So glad he's not on this team anymore.

Every game I have watched for the last month, I am getting a slightly lower and lower opinion of Bryam and a desire to sign him to a bigger deal.

Cozens a -2 and only about 1/2 way through the first. Maybe he is 'reverting to his mean' now. Better not talk to early though....

Cozens just STANDING there not tying up his guy, no awareness where the puck is and the opposing winger just taps it in. He's a -1 not even half way through the first.... Oh, its OK.... it favors the Sabres this time.

I'm not as optimistic on Quinn as some, but I'm not ready to give up on him. I don't think I need to see him get bigger/strong. For me its about his throught process and effort. Go to the front of the net more, and for sure engage more in the neutral zone and D-zone. I honestly can't tell if he is good or not at engaging players in the D-zone or backchecking/winning battles in the neutral zone...because you hardly see him even try to do those things. I don't think there has been a more invisible forward outside of the offensive zone since Jeff Skinner. He has a good shot. He needs to be taking 200+ shots per year. But not just ANY shots. He needs to work to get into better position, can't be a perimeter guy (which he has been for most of this year). I know he loves to take that shot from inside the circles, but he seems to too often just hang around there waiting for someone to get him the puck. Maybe the recent success that has been with him playing with McLeod is that McLeod's skating if forcing Quinn to move a bit more. Such a small sample size though, the next 9 games will be important, and next year is a make-or-break year for him. If Tuch can score 30+ 2 of the last 3 years, Quinn has the shot to do it too. Just he needs to earn the extra ice time to allow him to get more chances by improving the rest of his game, and he has to skate a lot harder himself to generate his own chances, instead of the vast majority of his chances being generated by someone else on his line.

I think Dahlin is borderline elite. If you want me to say is he or isn't he i'd say yes. That doesn't mean he is perfect. To me, this team truly has 3 top players. Dahlin is an almost-elite or elite D-man. Tuch is one of the most well rounded forwards in the entire league (no real weaknesses, a lot of ways he is very good) and Tage is an elite goal scorer. Beyond that this team is filled with a bunch of 'might be good eventually', 'is only here because no one else would pay them' or 'may have a role' guys.

Its not a narrow scapegoating on my part. Its not just UPL and Power. Its UPL. Its portions of the D-group, and a LOT of how the forwards play and support the defense. Not to mention neutral zone play. I think a huge part of this is on UPL, but not all of it. As per my prior post, The entire 4th line has been bad in terms of supporting the defensemen. Kulich, Peterka, Quinn and even Benson aren't helping the 'goals allowed' portion of things. And of course, the D-group. Everyone needs to contribute to keeping the puck out of the net, but I'd say 4 or 5 of your defense group are average or below average, and close to 1/2 of your forwards need to be a lot better.

After 8 goals, the Sabres are now 8th overall out of 32 teams in offense (3.23 goals per game). 2nd in the league in even strength regulation time goals. Tage tied for 3rd in the league in goals scored. If only the defense/goaltending were better...but they have not been. Sabres are the 2nd worst in goals per game allowed. 38 goalies have played over 30 games this season. UPL is 34th out of 38th in GAA and 36th out of 38 in save percentage.

Quinn is now scoring so that is good, but even the last few games his 'overall' game, getting back into the D-zone, getting to and controlling loose pucks, needs a LOT of work. The entire 4th line has been and keeps on being a lot worse than it needs to be. As far as the forwards go, I'm personally still only really happy with Tuch, McLeod and Tage. Peterka is decent, but has too many lapses. Zucker and Greenway can't seem to play enough games in a row. Krebs has been a pleasant surprise for me, but that isn't much because it was coming off a low level. I like Bensons effort, but I think he isn't quite as great as many think. Kulich needs to show me what he is doing for more time. So the forwards are in decent shape, but I wouldn't say we can be confident yet that they are not an issue at all.

We have someone in the lead in a category. UPL is in the lead for the most goals allowed by any goaltender in the NHL this year. Its also the most goals allowed in a single season by any goaltender during the drought, with still some time left to pad his lead.

I had the game on but had company over, we 'kinda' watched the game but I didn't get to focus on any of it. Caught up on reading this thread and watched some of the highlights and looked at the stats. Bryam is...not an 'issue' but I'm not leaning more toward trading him for anything of value rather than signing him to a long term deal. You are playing Philly, you are getting prime minutes, Dahlin is out. This is your chance to step up in any way, and I didn't see it. He became, for the most part, just another guy out there. Unless he is paired with Dahlin, Bryam seems to be just a pretty good skating-but below average D-man. That seems to be getting reinforced as more time goes on.

I think Quinn's spot on this roster is tenous at best. There is a chance if he is in camp, its a 'prove it if you want a spot on this team' camp. Peterka. He SHOULD be here, but is there any truth to him not wanting to be here and moved? Greenway and Zucker. Not exactly 2 guys you can rely on for 82 game each. I think you almost have to figure another winger (young guy from Rochester or a free agent) that will spit time with them. Lafferty, Krebs, and Malenstyn all all signed, but all at $2m or less. I could seem one or two of them not being a regular on the roster. Norris. Seeing he has hardly played, and who knows if he will even play the rest of the year, for all intents or purposes he basically will be a new guy next season. There is some room for change.