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Is it a low return? Yes. This is the only theory I have at this point. Sam told Adams he would not sign a long term deal with the Sabres, once he is unrestriced he wants to play back home (Vancouver) Sam got the word out through is agent to ALL other teams he wants to sign with Vancouver after this year when he is unrestricted. Therefore, everyone (all other teams), pretty much knew he was going to be a 1 year rental, with only a SLIGHT chance of re-signing him to a longer term deal. So, when trading Sam, you were only going to get the return of a rental.

Hopefully yes. Remember though, 13th pick is good, but odds are any player selected at 13 is years away from playing and producing...and you are looking at about a 50% chance overall of that becoming a good player down the road. Still, I'll take it in this deal for Risto.

Know very little about him, but from what I have seen.. -Good penalty killer -Bad numbers (analytics) -Good to have as the 7th defenseman, servicable as a #5-#6 guy, but don't expect anything more.

You definitely don't want to make a trade just for sake of making a trade. Besides that you could always just wait and wait and wait and see if something gets better. Of course the other side of it is, they have had days or weeks or even months to negotiate this. You might just want to pull the trigger on the best offer out there if you're going to make the trade, if you don't know what the best offer is by now, that might be the sign that you're not doing your job that well.

So I guess that neck surgery wasn't required after all.

Funny...much different for me. Many people I know who are not vaccinated use all those excuses... They say they don't trust the government... They say it's about what's in the vaccine... But push them hard enough and you'll find it something else. For a good portion it's simply that they don't want to get a shot. They don't like needles. How did I come to that conclusion? If I press them hard enough and ask them if there was a simple pill they could swallow with a glass of water would they still not get it... Many of them said in that case they would get it. Now maybe part of the issue is they don't trust the fillers and preservatives that are getting injected into their bloodstream where with the pill it wouldn't be quite the same, but still a lot of them it's just about the shot.

Ok, you lost Borgen. He might have been a very good 3rd pair guy, or a decent 2nd pair guy. Now go out and get someone as good as or better to replace him. If you are going to trade Jack, Sam, and Risto, you should get a lot back. A young D-man who is just as good as Borgen as part of that package shouldn't be too tall of an ask.

Might be a good idea to find a former player or coach who lives in the area (even if from Vancouver) and offer a position on the radio station. We know in Buffalo that many retired players love to get into broadcasting with their free time, it might be a good investment for one of their sports talk stations.

I agree. Maybe some of those picks weren't about making their team good today...but rather they have already had discussions with other teams about trading some of these picks for players that WILL help them. You know, get the draft done tonight...let everyone look at their roster across the league...and then start dealing, especially with the teams that might be willing to trade you quality players for cap room/lower priced players.

Either that or the other teams just don't care as much as the Sabres (and fans) do about keeping quiet about losing the 10th-20th best player on their roster.

I have this hope/feeling that if they take Borgen, a lot of people will be upset...but that won't last long because within a short period of time the Sabres will trade for or sign a D-man that fans can justify as being just as good as (or better) than Borgen.

I would have thought a lot of people in Seattle would be a lot more knowledgeable by now. They are SO close to Vancouver. Just as we can get games out of Canada here (hockey night in canada) I would think they can also. I mean, Seattle and Vancouver aren't that much farther apart than Buffalo and Rochester are (a little, but the northern suburbs of Seattle are just over an hour away from the suburbs of Vancouver.)

While this is interesting, I hope we don't have to wait long for any Sabres trades. Trades are what will REALLY get some good discussion going on this board....especially if they get another first round pick before the draft. That would add so much to Friday nights draft.

Actually, I kinda prefer this process of 'leaks' to the ESPN show tonight. I think i'm having more fun following the leaks and seeing the reaction and discussion now than I would be tonight. I'm pretty sure ESPN will drag out the broadcast and turn a lot of it into something most of us would roll our eyes at.

I posted earlier that I hope not. He certainly won't make-or-break the Sabres and his contract is a tad high...but if they are going with a super-young roster this year, I think he can be an important piece. Not to mention, he is like 4th or 5th on the team in even strength goals when he plays, and does it with less minutes than most other players.

I'm not sure that is his real account...might be a fake account?

with all the angst about losing Borgen, I want to say I actually hope Seattle doesn't take Girgensons. Is he paid too much? Sure, but he is the type of player I want on this coming 'younger' sabres team, and his contract won't be a major issue.

Looks like this has at the very least been put on hold... https://www.bizjournals.com/buffalo/news/2021/07/21/ellicottville-brewing-labatt-brew-house-buffalo.html For those who aren't subscribers or can't read any free articles there.....Plans to take over the 716 restaurant have been put 'on hold'. I haven't seen anyone else reporting the story yet, but i'm sure that we'll get more information on this once other sites/news picks up on it.

I'll admit nobody here knows for sure, but I think there is a good chance that Eichel 'asked' for a trade, if not last year than this year? Is that a trade 'demand'? Maybe, maybe not. Do I know it happened? Of course not, but it just seems like there are conditions and chatter (media, canadian media, etc) that points in that direction.

I know the last time I tried out the NHL streaming package, you could watch in-market games, just not like (like a day or two after). Anyone know if that will still be an option on the ESPN version of the NHL package?

We really need to get to the point where actual player moves are happening. These boards had some members going at each other pretty hard in conversations that started with who they would protect and got way off topic. We just need some actual player moves so we can discuss lineups, analytics of the players involved....etc. Right now so little has gone on that we are just grasping at anything that is simply a topic to discuss, no matter how crazy it is.

For the time being, I'll trust Adams to make correct decisions as GM, over what myself and other fans want. He has more experience in the league and around front offices, and of course has access to tons and tons more information than any of us have.

I hope they protected Risto because they have a pretty good trade for him lined up.

Personally I think that IS significant. It is different in Hockey. 12 games are worth 24 points. 24 points is the difference between finishing first overall in the league and finishing 8th to 10th. 24 points is the difference between what is usually the last playoff team and the worst team in the league. In the NFL, 2 games means MUCH less (on average) in the standings than 12 games does in the NHL.

To me it means nothing at all if you trade someone and he wins a cup in the first year there. If the Sabres don't win it, someone else will and I don't care too much who that is. Its like people that say you can't trade him in the division or you want to trade him out west. If you could trade him to the Bruins and get an extra 7th round pick than you could by trading him to Vancouver (if the other parts of that trade were equal), then I would trade him to the team that gives the Sabres even the slightest bit more. If the ultimate goal is to win the cup, you are going to have to be better than everyone else, whether it is Boston, the Rangers, Vancouver, or L.A. The reputation of the Sabres is one thing and one thing only. How good are they? If the Sabres get better and who they trade Jack to wins a cup....great. All I care about is the first part of that equation.