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I don’t know why much hasn’t changed. Could be not a lot of action. I think there should be action taken. That action should be well thought out and implemented. Wow. Ok, looking at times in posts. I didn’t write the initial post then spend 20 minutes looking for resources. I edited the post 20 minutes later after spending 30 seconds finding examples of possible resources. Showing some immaturity IMO. Not the type of mindset that contributes to problem solving.

I’m willing to bet those studies exist. FBI.gov might be a good place to look. https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/analysis-recent-mass-shootings https://www.fbi.gov/about/partnerships/office-of-partner-engagement/active-shooter-resources Might not be everything you’re looking for but it took 30 seconds to find.

Again you are correct. They aren’t just numbers on a spreadsheet. Therefore the approach should to save as many as possible. That requires actual thinking. Nobody said to not do anything. Edit: I am getting this vibe you think my mindset is desensitized and/or the military approach to operational planning is callous by nature. If true on either you are misinformed. If not then disregard.

Correct this isn’t a military operation. This is a societal issue where the lives of innocent people are on the line. I believe your approach will fail to keep the most people safe given the threat in favor a doing something for the sake of doing something. Saving lives is the goal. The problem is dynamic. By the way, military planning is much more than friendly loss estimates.

It’s not just an 18 year old kid. The problem is bigger. Saving one life or saving many is what you are failing to understand. Lack of crisis experience and ability to think through a problem set.

Minimum results equal minimum lives saved. If you dont apply common sense to problem framing and solution development then you don’t offer much value in problem solving.

Then make a snap decision and see how that works. The idea is to save people’s lives and there seems to be reluctance to use in depth planning and analysis. It’s a joke how little people know about crisis planning and management. It’s tragic how those same people try to act like they know what goes into it.

It’s not a word salad. This isn’t the 80s and 90s. A new study needs to be done consisting of in depth threat and coarse of action analysis. If you apply a 1994 solution to a 2022 problem you will at best achieve minimum results. It’s not about a perfect solution because I don’t believe one exists. It’s about finding the most productive solution to meet a current and emerging threat.

The example I gave about pistol attachments isn’t obfuscation. It is a fact that without those mods/attachments those weapons are still just as lethal. The idea is to reduce a criminal’s capability so understanding what effects that capability and how is very important. Change does need to happen but it needs to be thought out so that whatever decision is made is actually productive. Internal/external ballistics, static/mobile positions, ammo/weapon variants, training, mental health and how all of that put together effects lethality is what needs to be studied. Then that information gets applied to produce courses of action. Then we evaluate the effects of each course. Then we decide and implement. This, in theory would provide the greatest positive effect to reducing mass shootings with the least impact on the contents of your safe. IMO anyone who disagrees with the above approach lacks critical and analytical thinking skills and should not be taken serious when it comes to planning and crisis management. Their participation would hinder a productive solution.

You should need a license for a gun. You have to get a permit, then a license, then insurance and registration for a car. You need a permit to do certain types of property work.

Not a good definition. A pistol without the ability to attach a suppressor or grip is still just as lethal. Just one example. A 10 round mag offers an assailant more lethality than a 15 round mag assailant if the 10 round shooter is better trained. The gun is the tool, the lethality comes from how it used. I don’t have a perfect answer to this problem but I know common sense gun control should apply common sense. I also agree the status quo is not working.

First Paragraph -Agreed but I think a gun cabinet is acceptable. Steel with a strong lock or combo. Second Paragraph -Agreed. Third Paragraph -Disagree. Fourth Paragraph -I hear the term assault weapon but it’s not really a category. To agree or disagree I would need to see a list of proposed weapons by actual nomenclature/variant. I’m guessing people mean AR and AK families of weapons. Fifth Paragraph -Agreed. Not sure why there wouldn’t be a director of any organization. Sixth Paragraph -Agreed. I have to think there is a database. We have to register cars with proof of proper documentation. So yeah. Seventh Paragraph -Agreed. A dedicated analyst section would do the trick and creates a few jobs.

Read an article on the police actions. I don’t have all the information but if I remember correctly the Parkland shooting had a similar issue.

That’s rough.

I agree there is a cultural issue of young men, of all backgrounds, doing this. I think Columbine opened the flood gates for these acts. The time between these acts is decreasing with back to back incidents becoming more frequent. A pattern is/has been emerging. Gun owners should attend formal training that includes safe handling and storage. Keeping a loaded gun in the top drawer with kids in the house is stupid. Don’t throw 2A in someone’s face if you yourself do not responsibly execute that freedom.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/us/live-news/texas-elementary-school-shooting-05-24-22/index.html

I underestimated the Rangers and Oilers. Stupid Stupid Stupid🤦‍♂️

I’m guessing he made up his mind a long time ago using one sided garbage information. Probably didn’t do a whole lot of looking into other points of view or validating the sources of his information. That’s how extremists in general come to be. Validation of sources is part of researching.

I’ll add people need to learn how to research. That’s not a right or left thing, it’s an all around issue.

Might deserve its own GDT or a series thread.

I like the idea of Cozens with Girgs and KO. That’s an awesome opportunity for the kid and a line with some offensive threat. Looking at the names I feel a lot better about leadership than I did in years past.

Respect to Aaron Salter Jr for protecting innocent people. May not have taken down the shooter but no doubt saved even more people from getting hurt.

And now I’m seventh. Lesson learned.

This mic still on. Who has two thumbs and the most point points right now? This guy! 👍👍

I think he tried going for the chest but miscalculated. Then again Zadorov seemed like he has a chip since Buffalo traded him way back.