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Myers returns tonight

Really? A blue line with Dahlin, Hamilton, and Risto doesn't seem that excessive to you, given our complete garbage at wings?

I think you're probably right with that. I've seen maybe 40m of Dougie play in the last two seasons. I was really shocked looking up some of his numbers. Say we get Dahlin, what package do you guys want from Calgary?

I agree Calgary > Carolina, but the goaltending is still suspect; Mike Smith is 36 Is Dougie really that much better than even Risto is? Off the top of my head, I'd much rather have Tkachuk and Valimaki then Dougie and some offensive prospect. A lot of that depends on who we get in the draft though Edit: Appears Dougie is that much better than Risto. Just looked at his stats

Wonder who goes to Carolina then? Talented roster, but has some holes, and doesn't seem like great ownership to work with

I'd be miserable with that deal. I want nothing to do with Bennett. Some sort of established player needs to be coming back if RoR is moved IMO

Sweet. Now the Hurricanes are going to blow next year. One less eastern team to contend with And I'd be ecstatic with that trade

He's going to the same roster lol https://www.fanragsports.com/nhl/friedman-eyes-potential-offseason-nhl-changes/

Didn't realize Bergeron didn't even play tonight. That's a tough loss to take for Toronto. Shows just how dominate Boston is though

Buuurrrnnnn Toronto, Burn

Also @LeadingNFL ESPN and the NFL Network have agreed not to “tip” picks for the first two rounds of the 2018 NFL Draft. There will be no staffers to tweet out picks ahead of the podium picks for first couple of rounds. (via @richarddeitsch)

But your cost vs analysis isn't putting together the full context. What is the point of having any sort of picks at all, if you don't have a QB? The cost of not making a trade up isn't really X amount of picks this year, it's all of the picks you will continue to spend on: A) Trying to find that quarterback B) on other positions that will leave in FA or be wasted because you don't have that quarterback The Bills have literally spent 157 draft picks since 1996, the final year of Jim Kelley https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/draft.htm In that time period, we have drafted 18 players that have made at least one Pro-Bowl. those positions are DB, DT, DE, LB, C, G, RB, WR Granted these are all just people we've drafted, that doesn't account for anyone in FA or trades we've acquired that have been elite players So yes, we can lose the 4 picks you mention to get into the 2nd slot and give us the best chance at choosing the guy we believe is the best, we can wait and lose 1 pick and hope we get the QB we want in your second scenario, or we can wait until we give up no picks and hope we get it right at 12. But in all of those scenarios, the further you go down in the draft, the less likely you are to get the guy you believe is the best. Does that gauruntee he is the best? No. But in my previous post, 99% of the time the best guy is found in the first 4 taken, and it just so happens that the 1st 4 taken this year are very likely to be taken before the Bills pick at 12. Personally I don't care what the cost is at all. We have seen elite talent at every position on this team, in every possible combination, for the last 20 years. In that time we've spent 157 picks, and only two of them were QBs in the 1st round. I get that you are taking a risk by trading up, but I think you're taking a larger risk by sitting put. @Schopptalk I've been told the October 29 MNF Patriots-at-Bills game is the only prime-time #Bills game of the season. #NFLSchedule

I mean you don't want to trade up because you're convinced Rudolph is the best option overall (besides Mayfield). Which is fine, but if others thought that and he was ranked higher by other teams, you'd still be against trading up?

So rank your QBs for this draft :lol:

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here Aud

Exactly

How does that matter in this draft though?

I don't think your qualifications for this debate are right honestly; QBs are meant to give you the best chance at consistent success (playoffs and contention), they don't alone bring a SB. But I will show you the last 4 QBs taken in the last 20 years for each draft Best QB taken is next to the year number 2017: Watson Trubisky (2) Mahomes (12) Watson (22) Kizer (52) 2016: Wentz Goff (1) Wentz (2) Lynch (26) Hackenberg (51) 2015: Mariota Winston (1) Mariota (2) Grayson (75) Mannion (89) 2014: Carr (Garappolo taken 62, too early to tell) Bortles (3) Manziel (22) Bridgewater (32) Carr (36) 2013: Glennon Manuel (16) Smith (39) Glennon (73) Barkley (98) 2012: Wilson (75) Luck (1) RG3 (2) Tannehill (8) Weeden (22) 2011: Newton Newton (1) Locker (8) Gabbert (10) Ponder (12) 2010: Bradford Bradford (1) Tebow (25) Clausen (48) McCoy (85) 2009: Stafford Stafford (1) Sanchez (5) Freeman (17) White (44) 2008: Matt Ryan Ryan (3) Flacco (18) Brohm (56) Henne (57) 2007: Stanton (43) Russell (1) Quinn (22) Kolb (36) Beck (40) 2006: Cutler Young (3) Leinart (10) Cutler (11) Clemens (49) 2005: Rodgers Smith (2) Rodgers (24) Campbell (25) Frye (67) 2004: (Big Ben) Manning (1) Rivers (4) Big Ben (11) Losman (22) So for 15 years, all but in what, 2? of these drafts, the best quarterback is found in the first 4 taken. It just so happens that sometimes 4 QBs are very much spread apart in when they're selected, and in this one they won't be http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?type=position 100%

Wentz and Goff coming out or what Wentz and Goff turned out to be?

There's been 1 QB in what, 50 years? that has been considered a guarantee? They are all huge risks I say we do both. One with no trades, one with trades

Because we've done it for 30 years! In the entirety of the drought we've tried your strategy, and it's never worked! For once pull the freakin' trigger like the Rams, Eagles, or anyone else and get the damn QB There will never be a better time to do this. We will never have this much ammo, with 4 QBs available in the top 10, with so many teams that don't want QBs in the top 10, with brand new management that can afford to take a big swing...short of us having the Brown's picks, it is the best possible scenario we could ever even dream of. And we're going to waste it on some JAG OL that we can get in any draft or anywhere in any draft?

Same. If the Bills come out of this draft with anything less than Mayfield or Rosen, I'm going to consider it a complete failure

Those 1-2 that go in the top 10 are usually the best ones too http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?type=position