Darryl Shannon's +/-

Tampa and Winnipeg are part of newer list of owners too. So Tampa, though up and down with success likely are the best of that crop.

An interesting point to think about....for newer owners in the league, what is their success? Arizona, Edmonton, Carolina and us are all part of the new guard. I'm optimistic on the strides that Terry and Kim appear to be making, with both franchises. St. Louis and Vegas are likely top of the pile in terms of early ownership success. Reading through the comments here, what is the ideal for an owner? Not active in the day to day, but visible in media and the owners box? I'm thankful we aren't Ottawa, or the Carolina panthers. And not having to worry about budget for either team. It's something I'm still getting used to.

19,14,12,11,9

My fear of keeping him. Already 27 years old, plummeting 5 on 5 goal production, 5 years left at substantial dollars, and then today's interview. Sometimes leading is keeping the truth to yourself. If I'm signing checks or trying to build this team, I'm not sure I can rely on this guy for the next five years. You can't cut or stow him in the minors. And since he is likely our most marketable asset, if bots wants to overhaul the lineup that's perhaps the most logical starting point. As for jbot, he's preached organizational competitiveness and creating a winning culture through the minors to the big club. I wonder if comments like that are a line in the sand for him.

It's not his fault Murray traded for him, but I'm ecstatic that we won't have to see him on the ice ever again. Wish him well, but time to get better.

Yup, good call. Sad that we have to decipher it on our own.

Thanks to everyone for helping us to get through the year. Looking forward to the summer, lotto and better things.

Hilarious as they all actually get paid for this. And yeah, I know the game didn't matter. It's more....you are playing a game and want to win. Right?

Wait, no penalty for offsides challenge?

Well, nice to see some fight. Pales in comparison to last year with bylsma.

Dumb question, but are there advanced stats for faceoffs? As in, percentage when it actually matters?

More importantly, it's attaching value to something that likely doesn't really matter.

But, how often is a solid center traded twice? When he was traded to us it felt like we landed the next version of briere. After a few years, I wonder if he's part of the larger problem. At this point, we almost have to move on. By the time we are ready to contend, 90 will be on the downturn.

I guess I view a flawed starter who gets you to 7-9 wins as the worst case scenario. Flunking out with a 2 win starter takes away the trading up narrative. From a pure value perspective, Mccarron at 5M is way more palatable than Tyrod at 17M. Only issue is I think he's in the same boat. 6 to 9 wins. Good enough to keep you on the outside looking in. For the playoffs and the draft.

Is it really that difficult to replicate Taylor's production? While he was easy to root for, he struggled to pass for 200 yards a game. Try to aim higher, and you don't need to pay 17M per to do so.

Not sure he was here long enough to be right or wrong. Amazing how quickly he was booted from two front office jobs. And how ugly each one was.

I'd love if they move on from him. At his age, with his term on that contract he will be a problem in 3 years. As for his play, he has a knack for being invisible yet showing up on a score sheet. Great trait for a 4th or 5th wheel. But not for a cornerstone. In terms of worth, he may be the most tradeable asset we have. If you want a different dynamic, moving him is likely a good start.

Add in that his moves for a quick rebuild saddled the team with awful contracts. Going into the offseason, you knew Gorges was a 7th D at best. Moulson didn't belong in the nhl and bogo would give you 55 games max. That's 14M of the cap wasted and entirely by TM. I'm just glad we got rid of him before he panicked and made a move like signing Okposo.

Except in this case, the GM and everyone else got canned. I'm torn on this, as if I were the owner of a team I'd feel the responsibility to do the dirty work myself. Yes, the ideal is to say that you'd let the hockey ops team take care of all hockey business. But when you are the one signing each paycheck, I think a level of responsibility exists as well. Keep in mind that Bucky and Harrington have pulled the tired, "Kim is in the room while men are talking". And I think that's where a lot of this talk/speculation starts. The other thing to keep in mind. While there has been a lot of turnover for both teams over the past few years - I don't know if any of the firings could be categorized as inappropriate. Murray and his tactics to build a "heavy" team set the team back years. And they fired him before we all saw that to be true. It's funny to me how the criticism flows. Terry was beaten up for not being available to the media, now the problem is that Kim is too involved in firing incompetent staff?

O'Reilly's deal was frontloaded though. So if Ottawa is cash poor it helps the bottom line. Throw in other cost controlled assets and this isn't all that crazy.

It was time to move on from Fitz and Trent just like it is for Tyrod. While race may matter in how the refs don't call roughing the passer, as a QB he isn't the answer if you want to win it all. I wish him well, and hope he makes a lot of money holding a clipboard. It's valid for people to want a QB who tries to throw to WR's.

I miss the overuse of the 10 minute misconduct. Goals on slapshots off the rush. Seeing a clean, fair hit that doesn't result in a fight.

I'm delighted to see Bylsma go away, and happy that ownership stepped up to pay out the remainder of his deal. The arena was a morgue this year, and this game is supposed to be fun to watch in person. I understand Murray getting the gate - a lot of blood was on his hands with this mess too. I'll miss his interviews.... Two things: I wonder if the Reinhart situation was really a fight between Bylsma and Murray, and each side stood firm to try to make the other look bad. If I'm Pegula, that alone is a cry for help from the team in terms of dysfunction. Second, was Terry's quarterback tour really an excuse to meet team president candidates? Given how horrible he is alone at the podium, I wouldn't doubt him handing the microphone over to his newest employee....

No thanks. And I think Pegula is going to be shy to go with this model after LaFontaine was somehow able to get fired after like two months. Imagine how hard that has to be. If Murray keeps Bylsma, a five year old can make the choice next year. If we stumble out of the gate and are on the outside looking in by Thanksgiving, then it's scorched earth time. Me personally, I'd rather hire a GM who is competent enough to run the program without a president getting involved with the on ice product.

Agree totally with this - if he keeps Bylsma and next year starts off where this one ended, then GM/Coach combo will be on the shopping list.