sicknfla

I don't take offense to your thoughts. I will be the first person to admit that i tend to post in a negative light. I guess a part of me is just used to (and usually getting) the worse from Buffalo teams. My guess is both you and Quick are young. Actually, I know Quick is young because i saw his pic in another thread (part of the reason i didn't debate with him more). That being said we may share a different perspective. Everyone on here is different. Some are overly exuberant and act like every goal is a Cup winner. Some are middle of the road and some are negative (weary). I can tell you the group that is a little more apt to be not so gung ho (PA, JJ, Robviously, Ghost, and a few others) treat the others with far greater respect than the group who thinks everything is peaches and cream. That group tends to take things personal. You are new so take the time to get a feel for everyone. There are clicks in here. Some need to be a part of a click - I don't.

Yes. Thanks

The old me would have kept this going. No point. "We" is a good amount of posters who everytime we made a deal that included a first round pick felt that pick was very valuable. Now many of those same posters go completely opposite when it is brought up that maybe we should have been a little more frugal with the ones we got rid of. I have beat the fact I think Murray has done an inadequate job enough. It is too early to tell for sure. It isn't too early to critique the early results.

That is fine. I annoy you just like the poster that everytime Eichel touches the puck tells us how great he is. Or the poster that when we score "loves this team" blah blah blah. I don't call that person out. I simply take it as we ate all different. You, on the other hand take it to a personal level. I am not in a popularity contest. A lot of my posts stir debate and I am fine with being looked at as the guy that stirs the pot sometime. Personally the last few days we have had good back and forth discussion with everyone being civalized. So, if attacking me personally and what i add to the forum is what you want to add to the forum then have at it.

I think if you go back and read this entire thread you will see I never mentioned anyones posts as flawed. Thought they were good back and forth discussion. Then you post that my thinking that the 1st being a deal breaker was "ridiculous ". I then counter your theory on first rounders not being important and you attack my posts. Just because we have different views doesn't mean either if us are right or wrong. They are just opinions. So to say i look at other peoples views as flawed and to read my flawed post before i post them is bush league on your part.

That didn't seem to be the minsdet when we were unloading proven NHL talent the last 3 years. We acted like getting a first round pick was like hitting the jackpot. Then we start unloading them and we justify it with "what are the odds - the guy probably wouldn't make it anyways". Sometimes this stuff cracks me up. Yet, our 2nd round pick, Guhle, is one of the guys we mention as the D of our future.

The tipping point for me is the first round pick. We can all say it was a late first rounder but it doesn't matter. Right now we have a bunch of prospects that we continuously talk about. None of those are first rounders. The impact of including that first round pick was only magnified when he threw the other one away for Lehner.

Their GM does not make trades. For him to make this trade was because the situation had to come to a head. Injured or not. Like I said up thread I would have been more comfortable trading the assets that we did for players with less baggage.

He wasn't pressed for time. He had every bargaining chip on his side. If anybody was in position to make demands it was Murray.

I know it seems negative but i would rather call it cautiously optimistic. I think we paid less for more in the ROR trade. I like ROR kind of deals. You know what you are getting. No hidden variables. Being a lifelong Buffalo fan hidden variables scare the hell out of me. I hope so. The fan watches the on-ice player. We don't see the locker room player. I hope he isn't the guy that was in Winnipeg. Hopefully he matured and learned. If so, Evander Kane will be just fine. I think the market for Kane was far less than we gave up. He was hurt, Winnipeg needed him out of that locker room, and they probably don't take it to the summer. Nothing saying Murray had to get into a bidding war even if they did.

I don't think anybody is going to lose sleep over Tyler Myers. That isn't the point. The point, at least from my perspective, is did Murray maximize his return for the 5 assets he sent to Winnipeg? When doing a complete rebuild and you only have limited assets to trade that will makeover your team do you do it for question marks? If Bogo continues to stay injury prone and Kane ends up being the guy that nobody on his previous team could stand WE ARE SCREWED!! Same with Lehner. He has done nothing to this point in his career to warrant a first round pick. Murray did that deal on potential. Again, you are gambling limited assets. I understand drafting is gambling - but I just can't help to think a more experienced GM could have done more with what we had. Eichel and Reinhart are easy. Guiding a team too last place doesn't get you GM of the year in my book. I think ROR is great. After that everything Murray has done gets dicey to me. We are a better team. We are more exciting. We freaking should be! We just spent 2 years watching two of the worse teams in NHL history.

Great point on Lorentz. Nice to hear something other than "yeah RJ you could sense that one was coming". Lorentz seemlessly took RJ's great call and took it for the next minute. Miss that.

Come on. Wasn't that the common theme around here this year. I made a point of saying that making the playoffs this year probably was not the best thing long term for this team. Everyone bashed with "it is experience for development, the kids will benefit", blah blah blah. Now were going to discount Winnipeg making the playoffs? Not directed at you MattPie. More a general statement to some of these posts.

Stafford has been one of their best forwards since the day he got there. That is undeniable. Shooting percentage or not. The dude got his change of scenery and revived his career. It happens.

True. But I think it is fair to say early indications are we got hosed. Let's be honest - 90% of this board would be writing daily posts of how great Murray is and how bad he fleeced Winnipeg if this was reversed - regardless if logic said it was too early to declare a winner/looser. It is not unfair to call it the way it currently is - a complete hose job. Maybe time will change that.

That is an interesting way too look at it. Whatever soothes the soul i guess.

They are going to suffer and get the #1 pick and draft Matthews. Then they will sign Stamkos and add him to Marner and Nylander. Suddenly they aren't suffering anymore. Good chance their rebuild is one we envy in 2 years.

Probably the same way as Murray loosing every trade will.

Myers did have to go. Just think he could have fetched players with a lot less of those IFS. Just gets tiring that every freaking move we make always has IFS. There are no IFS in Winnipeg right now. Myers is rock solid and Stafford has been one of their best players since he got off the plane.

Like I just said in another thread - Winnipeg won this trade regardless if Armia, Lemieux, and the 1st rounder ever play an NHL game.

Armia, Lemieux, and the 1st rounder could never play an NHL game and when the dust settles Winnipeg could still win this trade. Murray got absolutely hosed. I felt that Myers needed a change of scenery and wasn't against moving him. I will eat crow and say I was wrong. Trading him set this franchise back.

Now THAT is some glass half full thinking. Hopefully they are not 6-17-2 when he comes back.

Watched the Kings/Oilers game last night. Didn't realize the Kings, one of the best teams in the league, had 3 former Sabres on D. Add Sekera from the Oilers and it was interesting.

Mooses that purr, qouting Sinead O'Connor - my God these teams have f'd us up!

I have never heard a moose purr but I will take your word for it that it is a good thing.