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So Vanek's too lazy to even take his own penalties now?

Myers gave the puck to him and then broke the play up nicely. He hasn't been great, but I don't think he's been that bad to be honest. Couple stupid mistakes (the 2 penalties and the stupid shot), but nothing too bad

Cheer up sunshine! Well we might escape this period...

Boston - A hated division rival. I think you talk both Subban and Hamilton for him - do they have the cap space for it? That would be a large chunk of change for Vanek. Hamilton is meant to be pretty damn promising Chicago - I'm not sure you get Kane unless we over pay a lot. They need a goalie, but there are easier ways to get one than give up your most offensive weapon. Not mention cap space problem again Vancouver - I'd be shocked if they traded Schnieder, he is their future in goal and I think Vanek/Enroth is a lot to pay for him. If Schnieder nets Vanek/Enroth, Miller nets a huge sum Columbus - They will get another face of the franchise soon. They have sucked for so long, no point changing it up now - if you are going through hell, keep going Florida - Again, I just don't see the incentive to do it. Markstrom is learning well and would give them a goalie for 15 years rather than 5 Edmonton - This could work, they have a lot of players, they loved Vanek and they could use a good goalie Minny - Again, could work, they have paid to become players and they have a stacked cupboard. Bu again, in my mind it all depends on what we get back

I think they are very similar to Lecavalier - so behind Stamkos and St Louis. But a debate could be have for what order those three (P, V and L) would be in Are you high? Myers made a couple of mistakes, but it also made some nice plays. Brennan is just flat out awful

haha classic

Same. Last time i swore i wouldn't do it..

Just because someone can get you a younger asset doesn't mean you trade them. It is about what is better for the team now and in the future. We already have a lot of young guys, we need some veteran presence in the top 6. I don't see why it matters how good a skater he is? He nets 68 points on average and kills penalties? I know which two of those 3 skills i'd pick. Miller won't bounce back from what exactly? He has played amazingly over the last 50ish games. What is it he is meant to be bouncing back from? Vanek is a year younger than Pommers, not exactly night and day is it. Not to mention Vanek's style of play probably means he has less time at being effective than Pommers (he takes a lot of hits and is injured a lot of the time, conversely, Pommers is an ironman. We have no goalie prospects and there are few properly decent young goalies who aren't already spoken for (Schneider and Bernier are the only two that come to mind - maybe Subban as well). I really don't get this logic of we have players who have hit their prime let's trade them now for young players. Having a top 6 that consisted of Vanek, Coho, Armia, Ennis, Foligno and another young guy isn't a recipe for success. Furthermore, when our issue is defense, it makes even less sense to trade a defensively responsibly player. I have no problem with trading Miller, Vanek or Pommers - but i say to teams, you want them, give me a king's ransom. Also one other point - who exactly are we trading them to? Everyone jsut yells trade them for picks and prospects, never specifics. Why would a struggling team want to trade their future for some vets and what top tier talent would a long-time contender have to trade? Trading Roy made this team drop from a bubble team to a bottom feeder; i fail to see how trading the other players truely helps us. The Flyers went from 56 to 95 points in one season without really making any major changes, just retooling a little. I think we can do the same

Montreal Canadiens have traded forward Erik Cole to the Dallas Stars in exchange for forward Michael Ryder and a 2013 third round pick. Weird deal. The Stars get older and an under performing player, whilst Ryder is performing well, and they gave up a draft pick. The stars best hope they win the cup this year, half their top 6 is 35+

Can I be there for delivery/ride shotgun? clauses can only cover what would have otherwise been unrestricted free agency years

I don't know if you know this, but they have done studies that showed people remember where to get the information rather than what the information was. They attribute this to the internt and the fact that it is easier to remember the steps you took to get the information than the detail of the information. At what point does PDO stop becoming luck? e.g. vancouver has been top of the PDO last 5 years, which isn't surprising because they have good goaltending and good shooters

Good idea. I wouldn't mind doing the leg work for it, but i'm not sure it is possible to score it objectively. It is obvious you would need 3 different scales for goalie, defense and offence - but how do you compare a two way forward to an offensive player. i'd much rather have a 50 point scorer who was +20 than a 70 point scorer who was -20, but the system would only allow classification one way. Also goalies royally screw the system, as I have the view stats are very untelling for a goalie's performance (e.g. Miller vs Howard)

Yup. Also the fact that they said we need to get bigger and tougher and now we are a slow team

Pommers was 8th in the league in RW scoring last year and is a two way threat. He is a top line RW. Foligno belongs on the third line as a depth power forward at the moment. Ennis and Coho are both top 25 in the league in scoring, and you draft a first line centre, you don't trade for them. I agree we could do with a proper 3rd line centre, but a 2nd line centre would be a more urgent place in my mind (with Ennis moving to wing). I'm not sure why Miller needs a change of scenery? he is playing well, he way want a change but he doesnt need it

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts...for support rather than illumination" :P

A better second line would also ease the pressure off all lines, as everyone would then be playing at the right level. Our huge issue is Stafford, he is paid to be a top 6 winger and has acted like a third liner. If he plays like a third liner, that is fine, but he should be $1-1.5million cheaper. So not everything is DRs fault, most people would have expected Stafford to play like a top 6. Also Leino is paid as a top 6, although if he should is another question. Well not really, because the point i'm making is that if you get that prospect you have them for 7-10 years, rather than 20 games

Well not really, because they traded that first for Goose's services for 20ish games and the playoffs. Yes he resigned, but that was in no way guaranteed

Am I right in presuming it is a Its always sunny in philly reference? EDIT: Read above and qwk got there first

Especially as their line up isnt all that spectacular (but it is a nice lineup with clearly defined roles) Saad - Toews - Hossa Sharp - Bolland - Kane Bickell - Shaw - Stalberg Carcillo - Meyers - Frolik Keith - Seabrook Oduya - Hjalmarsson Leddy - Rosival Crawford Emery

EJ is on IR atm with a head injury. So that means we couldn't trade for him atm anyway. Also a head injury puts me off and he has never performed that well. Myers has more of an upside in my mind. But I would probably do EJ and ROR for Myers. Hrmm tough call

Has he said anything of note/interesting?

The only way this organisation trades Miller (and to an extent Vanek/Pommers) is if he asks them/wants to be traded. If he is going to be traded it would be for 2 reasons: 1) To be near Charlie Sheen...i mean his wife 2) For a chance at the cup What this means is that Tampa probably isn't a good fit, it takes him no closer to his wife and realistically isn't a major threat for the cup. I also think he doesn't get traded in conference. Although like i have repeatedly said, unless they ask for a trade or we are getting a kings ransom, I wouldn't trade MVP. We need some veterans on this team and each of them is doing their job. I really don't subscribe to the change for the sake of it. I didn't think Roy needed to go, and we can all see the difference in the team. The only changes between last year's mediocre bubble team and this year's mongrel are Leino not playing and Roy for Ott (and Boyes, but I don't think he is the big influence). From a hockey heaven/PR point of view I think trading them for the sake of it hurts us. It says to other UFAs, even if you are the best on this team you are not safe unless the team is winning - if i was a UFA and a team with that philosophy wanted me, I would not agree unless they either agreed to pay me way more than any other competitor or they agreed to give me a full NMC. Our problems are we lack two second line players (we should only lack one, but Stafford has decided not to try this year), we need a proper shutdown player/line (hint, ROR would solve these two problems in one move) and our bottom 6 is bloated with mediocre talent and no character (i mean the lines lack a character, not the players, i.e. what is the line, is it a grinding line, a checking line, a shutdown line, a tertiary threat line etc.)

He even publicly said he wanted to stay with the organisation. We might need to clean out some assistant coaches we already have - honestly, I'm not sure I like Teppo watching, I don't think he has really made a difference

Lol Bring back Briere and Drury. Maybe we trade for campbell and sign Dumont? Let's reunite the gang. it worked for American pie, it can work for us

Adam isn't even top line in the AHL... I will definitely say Hecht is better