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17 minutes ago, nfreeman said:
My point was simply that I’m not sure the sabres will have enough cap space for their shopping list.
I think they do. One via UFA and one via trade where we're moving salary similar out to what we bring in. Whether Botterill is good enough to pull it off is another matter entirely, of course.
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18 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said:
Huh. I missed or forgot that.
I missed it until somebody brought it up 'round these parts. Something about Williams and a clique making him the butt of jokes because of his figure skating background?
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7 hours ago, nfreeman said:
The good hockey talk in your posts that followed these was much better than "look how dumb some people are."
No, it's not calling people stupid. I'm going after the mentality, not the intelligence. People *really* have got to get over their "nothing good can possibly happen to Buffalo woe is us" mentality. How much good hockey talk gets derailed by it? It's annoying to see all the time and I'll continue to call it out for the nonsense it is.
15 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said:Honest question: Why wouldn’t CAR pay him like this?
Absence of Pegula bucks? Roster structure?
I believe it had something to do with "the room."
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^^If there's a guy I can say I want at 7 above the field, it's Cozens. But if it's not him, I won't do more than shrug my shoulders.
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Just now, Weave said:
I've said it before. These contracts are the price every team needs to pay to compete in June. Every title winning team has bad contracts. It comes with having to retain high end talent. The only teams that don't ahve these contracts are teams that don't have veteran high end players.
Buffalo now needs to finish the job and collect the rest of the talent. Otherwise this is wasted.
I agree that's the general rule, but I disagree that it's inevitable. Tampa has every one of their stars on a team-friendly contract. I don't think it's unreasonable to want to aim for that.
I guess my issue is with completely dismissing contract concerns as if they simply don't matter when there are more than a handful of instances where teams suffer as a result. You're free to not weigh the downside risks the same as other, but I don't think we should pretend those downside risks are fabrications, as Tom seems to do regularly.
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2 minutes ago, tom webster said:
I really don’t get the angst over the last couple of years or the extra $1 to $1.5 million.
Toronto and Patrick Marleau's 3rd year say hi. As does Chicago and them needing to move Teravainen to dump a bad contract. And so on. There's a price to pay for bad contracts.
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3 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:
This is close enough to what I meant to say yes, pretty much right. I would just add it's not that I don't value the things he does well, it's just that I think what he does well requires linemates to be doing the things he doesn't do well for him to be effective. We lack those players.
Isn't that true of all but the absolute best players in the league? The number of players who can be successful independent of what surrounds them is an awfully short list.
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4 minutes ago, Derrico said:
Hey man, I know I'm sure ready to start watching this team win. We better not be going half in half out. Botts has to have a big offseason. We can't waste even one year on this Skinner deal. I'm on board with Skinner the player but I will never be convinced that an 8 year deal to a 27 year old is a great idea.
Oh, it's not a good idea in the sense that it's particularly savvy. But I basically came around to Freeman's position that it's hard to see the team get better without him. 100% agree that Botterill needs to have a home run of an offseason. This wasn't it, it's holding the status quo...but that was a necessary thing to do, I think.
5 minutes ago, Thorny said:Certainly if Risto is traded.
*when
4 minutes ago, #freejame said:I’m 83% sure that if you look through the main Skinner contract thread that he’s reported something similar before.
No, he hasn't.
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2 minutes ago, Thorny said:
This really says it all.
We need a 2C and a 2RW
Correct. And a top-4 RHD, ideally.
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3 minutes ago, Derrico said:
What if the 'Because Buffalo' comes when he's eating up $9 mil in cap space over the last 2 years scoring 15 goals and 28 points?
As long as he's part of a playoff team for the previous 6 years, I won't care. Eichel is in his prime. Dahlin is about to be. The time is now.
My feelings on the longed term consequences would be considerably different if our best players were still Vanek and Pominville. But that's not the case anymore. Let's win some freaking games.
Edit: Also, to be clear, my reference to "because Buffalo" was concerning those who were fatalistic about Skinner leaving, not those making arguments that this contract may be ill-advised.
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Just now, tom webster said:
Do people realize how many players currently make $9 million or more.
This is a great deal and was never any real doubt it would get done.
I don't think you can consider a market value deal to be a great deal. It's appropriate, expected, and necessary. But great? No.
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Just now, matter2003 said:
No idea why...Skinner has always said he loved it here and wanted to stay. This is th3 closest place near home not named Toronto which has 0 prayer of offering him a contract and Skinner talked to Kreuger as if he was planning on being here discussing things in future terms with the team...its never been a thought that he was trying to leave.
For some, "Because Buffalo" has the power of the infinity gauntlet with all six stones.
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Just now, Weave said:
I'm still cooking up the ROR crow.
Why? I think time has proven you can't win with a guy like that in the locker room.
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Who wants to help me wheel in the crow for the people who *just knew* he'd be going to UFA since he was this close. Lots of it to go around.
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Just now, dudacek said:
Botterill gets judged on wins and losses, period.
If true, that's bad news for him.
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Just now, matter2003 said:
Bob MacKenzie reporting that Skinner and Sabres are closing in on an 8 year $9 million dollar AAV contract...WGR just interrupted with breaking news
Well, that's a dagger to the "because Buffalo" crew.
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2 minutes ago, Thorny said:
Ya, well, Jason Botterill might be bad at his job.
Indeed. There certainly has yet to be any evidence he's good at it.
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3 minutes ago, dudacek said:
I’m curious to see the emotional pushback if Skinner walks.
I suspect a majority will crap all over Botterill for failing to keep him because it will be natural to pile on top of the current ROR angst.
I also suspect few will be pissed at Skinner because he performed here with a smile and “I can’t blame him for wanting to go to a better situation.”
The reality will be more like Skinner and his agents cold-bloodedly leveraged a trade to Buffalo to “Jack” up his stats, then strung the Sabres along with insincere indications of wanting to stay in order to get a huge offer on the table from a desperate team that they could then use to extract a maximum offer from his preferred destination.
If Skinner walks, he will almost undoubtedly be leaving money on the table in Buffalo.
And we will almost certainly have been played.
Alternative: he wants to win and thinks we're probably going to suck for awhile.
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1 hour ago, WildCard said:
Just pay the guy honestly. I'm so sick of watching talent walk out the door cause we shave $1-1.5M per year cap hits on deals where the salary cap increase will cover that over that time period anyways
When was the last time this happened?
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3 minutes ago, dudacek said:
A team once traded up from 4 to 1. The cost was only 2 3rd-rounders.
A more relevant trade though was the one that brought that team from 11 to 4. The price was Bryan McCabe, who might be a decent comparable to Risto.
Risto complicates things so much. I doubt I could name 20 RD I’d rather have than Risto. I’m sure Blue could find 50.
Was this back in the days when players like Daigle were "can't miss?" The value isn't the same anymore. And your second scenario kind of proves my point. Assuming Chicago likes Risto, Risto + 8 for 3 would be fair value under that scenario, and you saw fit to toss Saad our way as well. So yes, fleecing. Not that Bowman is unfleecable...
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8 minutes ago, #freejame said:
Right handed 40+point defensemen absolutely have much more value than second line wingers though.
Not if they need significant sheltering at even strength to not be a complete sieve. Was Dennis Wideman ever traded for something significantly more valuable than Saad? Because that's who Risto is comparable to. Or, if you want a more recent reference, Phaneuf.
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Just now, dudacek said:
And neither is Risto.
The 3rd overall has incredibly more value than 7th overall. A 2nd pair D does not have tremendously more value than a top-6 forward.
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2 minutes ago, dudacek said:
So The other guy on the block is Colin Miller.
Eakin and Colin Miller for ...what? Two cheap replacements and a 2nd? A pair of seconds?
Eakin and Miller for a pu pu platter. Risto for JT Miller. Now we're talkin!
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10 minutes ago, dudacek said:
Saad is a quality NHL player, but he got 47 points this year and 35 last year.
While playing top notch defense and posting very good possession numbers. He's obviously not in Panarin's class, but he's also obviously not in the Berglund/Sobotka/Thompson triumvirate of smoldering trash if we're making trade comparisons.
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Risto said it's time for him to go?
in The Aud Club
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No, they tell us that Nelson was a lot better in his role than Risto was in his. To what extent that translates (for either of them) to a different role is open to interpretation.