TrueBlueGED
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2 hours ago, tom webster said:
You really want three wingers making $9M or more going forward? I think that only works if you can count on Casey and Dylan being centers two and three on ELC and Bridge. Otherwise you’ll have five forwards making about $47M if you find a second line center at $10M.
Where have you taken Tom "the cap doesn't matter" Webster and what have you done with him?
22 minutes ago, Ogelthorpe said:27, 29, 26,22,36 goals the last 5 seasons for Hoffman, and people are worried about losing Erod. This fan base is broken. Lol
I don't think that's the proper framing. Eros is nice because he's good and cheap. He's not untouchable, but I think most would simply prefer to keep him.
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16 hours ago, Brawndo said:
There are new topics and then there are doctoral dissertations.
Flagg in all seriousness, Ryan Stimson is no longer free lancing for the Athletic, you should apply to be his replacement
Wait, what? Did he get hired by a team or something?
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1 hour ago, jsb said:
Fair point but the Sabres issues are far more complex than just trading a very good player. The organizational depth is and was terrible. Until it gets fixed and our young guns mature, we're just spinning our wheels. With ROR we still were the worst team in the league. He wasn't our savior and we weren't dealing from a position of strength on that trade. The trade may be the flop you're alluding to but it may not be as bad further down the road.
Of course he isn't a savior, no one player is. If we traded Jack for 2 cap dumps and a handful of magic beans, would that be okay under the reasoning we won't know for 4 years and we finished in last with him anyway? Of course not. And we were dealing from a position of strength because he had 5 years left on his contract. Botterill didn't use that leverage, and that's on him. The trade was an abomination from the time it was made, and any attempts to frame it otherwise are really trying too hard. It doesn't have to define Botterill's tenure as GM, and I've said before plenty of GMs have made really bad trades and still be successful on the whole. But I really wish people would stop trying to frame or rationalize this trade in anything but a negative light, because the evidence simply doesn't support anything but it sucked.
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I like Nyquist a lot! My concern was always going to be term, but if they end up at 4 years, that's not bad.
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1 hour ago, jsb said:
Well there's little question that the immediate winner of that trade was St. Louis but let's sit on this for 3-4 years and see the progress of Johnson, Tage and Miller and see where this goes then. Those guys will be starting their prime years while ROR will start the inevitable decline. Then we'll see if this trade evens out some or is truly the terrible trade it looks like now. Tage still has time to turn it on and Johnson looked like a potentially skilled D man at the development camp.
While technically true (except for Miller, who is already in his prime), let's be honest: the likelihood of either Thompson or Johnson becoming O'Reilly-caliber players is incredibly low. So low, in fact, that I don't think we reasonably need 4 years to judge the trade a flop.
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Just now, Hoss said:
With multiple reports that we’re out on a couple guys (Zucc and Donskoi) does that mean maybe we’ve landed someone else?
It could. Could also mean their ask was too high or they said thanks but no thanks.
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20 minutes ago, Taro T said:
Granted, it's an if, but if Kreuger is good, that's a huge step in the right direction. They've also, since being eliminated last season added Montour, Miller (who I still expect is a replacement for Ristolainen, rather than an addition), and a 1 year older/ experienced Dahlin.
Bring in Aho and a 2RW for Ristolainen and this team challenges for the playoffs. Get the goaltending from the 1st 30 games last year and this team should make the playoffs (even with the moves other Eastern teams will make the next couple of days).
If we were to do this, we damn well better do more than challenge for the playoffs.
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1 hour ago, Derrico said:
Not even as a fourth liner eh? I'm desperate to get Girgs out of the lineup.
Lazar is worse than Girgensons at basically everything. So yea, not even as a 4th liner.
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If he plays a single game in a Sabres uniform, something has gone horribly wrong.
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1 hour ago, Brawndo said:
Remember when Rutherford straight said he wasn't trading Kessel? Example 10,000 of why nobody should ever take public comments by GMs at face value.
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1 hour ago, Brawndo said:
He will flip him most likely.
Good point. This is likely about getting rid of Zaitsev's contract, not acquiring Ceci.
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26 minutes ago, Brawndo said:
Someone mentioned that Tampa is really trying to make it work
*squint at their blue line and forwards*
Yea, I really don't understand why they'd be using their super limited cap space on a forward.
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1 minute ago, Hoss said:
Mike Hoffman would be the second-best forward on the team immediately.
I challenge you to make a definitive case he's better than Reinhart and Skinner. Those 3 are all on the same level.
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4 minutes ago, Brawndo said:
DJ Smith is a big fan.
Bonus gets paid July 1st and Zaitsev is a Senator.
Per Chris Johnson Cody Ceci is the return
Dubas acquiring Ceci is...a surprise, to say the least.
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34 minutes ago, Randall Flagg said:
A 2C, any 2C, get creative Jason!
Lol I'm pretty bad at accurately judging trade value, but I can try.
Ristolainen, Nylander for Granlund
Ristolainen for AA from Detroit
Risto for Kadri
Ristolainen, stuff for Trocheck
Ristolainen, Mitts for Cirelli, cap dumps to make it work (tampa cap dumps would likely be productive NHLers still)
The value needs to be tweaked on all of these, of course, but I just want them to identify a 2C that can be here for a while, and build something to make it happen. I know "it takes two to tango" and blah blah blah, but I have high expectations for somebody who turned our center depth (which was our only strength) into the worst in the league when ranking spines below the 1C. Teams are out there struggling with contracts and the cap, teams really like Ristolainen, something GOOD at that position, this offseason, is possible and I hope he's a go-getter.
If we're not trading Ristolainen to do it, there are some freaking glorious RFAs worth emptying the vault for.You'd trade more for Cirelli than Trocheck? Or is your "stuff" in the above scenario significant?
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19 minutes ago, Brawndo said:
If he signs for any real money, does that increase the chances we can get somebody like Johnson on the cheap?
*I mean signs with Tampa, obviously.
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Just now, That Aud Smell said:
I heard Suban fetched a modest return.
Risto will yield more because ________?
He's younger with a 40% lower cap hit.
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Just now, Randall Flagg said:
I think that's why our discourse feels like a debate - I'm fine with moving Risto (not for Miller!) but am purely talking under the assumption that the current roster is what we'll see in October, and what I'd do with that. I'll adjust accordingly when moves are made.
Right now the other options are
Dahlin - Risto (Yuck!)
Scandella - Risto (YUCK!!!)
McCabe - Risto (not as yuck, but still a far lower ceiling than 24-55)And I'm not even remotely confident in Krueger picking the 1 combination out of 4 that might work. Part of why I'm so gung-ho about trading Risto is to prevent coaches from being their own worst enemy.
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1 minute ago, Randall Flagg said:
I'm quite comfortable making a lot of claims based on Nylander's minutes. For example - he should have been up over Tage at least for large stretches of time.
It'd be one thing if it didn't make sense that Pilut and Risto do well together....but Risto can't move the puck, it's all Pilut's good at. Pilut can't handle physical play, while Risto can move mountains. It worked because Risto didn't even bother trying to move the puck, and Pilut wasn't the focus of an overwhelming forecheck - he made himself the outlet for Risto and got the puck out from there. When I say they LOOK amazing in addition to all of their metrics being good, this is what I mean. They look like a smoothly-functioning NHL machine back there. That's not an accident, and I don't believe it's a fluke just because we know over larger sample sizes that by themselves they're good at those things.If Risto stays here, I don't see how you could possibly want him to play with anyone else.
I trust your eye and I don't have any issue with them playing together if Risto stays, but I'd have a major problem if part of the reason for not making a move is that stretch of hockey. Pilut is injured to start the season, and there's absolutely no guarantee Krueger sees what you saw or values Pilut enough at all to pair him with Risto. There's a lot of "ifs" in the keeping him scenario.
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21 hours ago, ... said:
Sir, please proceed with your argument.
Some of it depends on how you interpret "aggressive." I basically view it as having targets and going after them without much regard for cost. For example, Tim Murray was aggressive in going after the best winger on the market (Okposo) when, long-term ramifications aside, he probably would have gotten much better value for similar on-ice impact by going to the second tier of free agency. I think being aggressive in UFA more often causes GMs to pay good players as great players than to secure great players. It's not always bad, but I think this is a pretty common consequence of the approach. If somebody aggressively pursues Panarin and matches his ask, I don't think it's inherently a bad move because he's a truly elite player.
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I might be hopping on the Olofsson hype train. Is there still room?
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15 hours ago, Randall Flagg said:
I mean, it's not rock hard evidence, but it's over 200 minutes, not ~50 or something. We regularly make decisions and opinions about, say, which prospects we want up and where, with far less to go off of than 230 NHL minutes at even strength. And I'm not trying to dissuade a Risto trade, I'm just presuming with that lineup that he's here. If he's here, he needs to be with the guy who, outside of the late season dreck that killed everybody and made even our best players look awful, has been able to help him more than anyone else in his career, and who isn't as good away from him either.
Jason is still more than welcome to use Ristolainen to get a 2C.
200 minutes is about what Nylander has played. It's not nothing, but it's close. I bet you could find a random 200 minute stretch elsewhere in Risto's career where both eyes and metrics say he played well.
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35 minutes ago, Brawndo said:
For perspective, Chuck Fletcher traded a 2nd and 3rd for a 32 yo D Man with one year left on his Deal. Botterill trades a 2nd and 5th for a 26 yo D Man with 3 years left on his contract.
Not to mention that the Dman Botterill acquired is a better player.
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27 minutes ago, nfreeman said:
That would be great but there is NFW that Florida trades Hubie.
If they really do want to go all out for Panarin and Bobrovsky, they're not going to be able to do it by letting Mark Pysyk walk, ya know?
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Unless we move McCabe, so we really need a 3rd pair LHD?
Not this year, but maybe next year. I think it all depends on the price of the 2C we (lord willing) acquire. Can we get someone on a $5M contract for a few years and Casey signed cheap after this year? If so, I think we might be okay unless Sam, Hoffman, and Montour all have bank-breaking seasons. Might have to pay someone to take Okposo off our hands though.
...bring me Zucker!