Crusader1969
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So what if the Sabres get the first two picks in 2015....
Crusader1969 replied to dejeanneret's topic in The Aud Club
we are set for the next 15 year - Eichel and Reinhart. TSN replayed the final game of the WJC last night - watched the last 10 minutes and Reinhart was fantastic. Last two minutes of the game - not sure he left the ice, took every important draw and set up Duclair beautifully for an empty netter where the D made a big save. -
you should probably read it again as they didn't lump the 15th pick with the 4th. It said " 15th-overall pick being worth about 1/3rd of a first-overall selection". Im pretty sure it isnt guaranteeing anything it just proved that you are wrong with your statement that "Now go back and look at drafts over the years and compare players in those two ranges. You'll find a guy here and there, but what you'll see is an indistinguishably mixed bag of good and bad players." The main point I had from the beginning was that guys like Zacha, Konecny and Conner have all been ranked in the top 10 at some point in the year and have great potential to be a front line NHL player. Now guys like DeBrusk, Bittner, Harkins, and others ranked around 22 are all fine players and may turn out to be great players but the odds of that happening is lower than that of first group. So as I Sabres fan I would prefer pick 14 over pick 22.
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I don't need to look it up as I know the research is already done and sorry but your statement is completely wrong. http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/analyzing-value-nhl-draft-picks/ "Using this graph, we can see that the most significant value in NHL draft picks lies in the first three selections, and the largest drop-off in pick value occurs between picks three and four. Players selected in the four-to-15 range are still generally very valuable across their careers with a 15th-overall pick being worth about 1/3rd of a first-overall selection." Guys drafted late in the first round have a value not that much different than a guy drafted in the 3rd. Further this is perceived as a deep draft but one where Tim Murray said there is a drop off around 19th.
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look at the guys who are around 14 (Zacha, Conner and Kocnecy) and compare that to the guys around 22 -if you don't think they are better prospects and potential to be stars - you aren't following closely
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Why couldn't the Islanders have missed the play-offs? even by 1 point. This looks like a top heavy draft where the top 14-15 all have star potential.
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Kaleta played his last game of as a Sabre last night.
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Looks to me like the Islanders pick will be 22nd overall (ugghhhh). For the Sabres to get a better pick one or more of Washington, Minnesota, Detroit, Ottawa, Winnipeg, Pittsburgh or Calgary will have to make it to the Confernece Finals. If 4 teams below them make it to the Conference finals the Sabres will get the 18th pick. Im placing my bets on the pick being traded this summer.
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But the coach you talk of was long gone by then. I do agree with you that even if we land McDavid there is no guarantee on a cup. Agree with everything you say except that I think Ennis is a top 6 forward. love the thought you have with Reinhart and Kane together - I always assumend Kane with Eichel but I like what you said just not sure Reinhart is ready for Prime-time right away. He could be, I (and lots of other posters) always seem to discount the kid readiness for the NHL here but lets not ever forget how great he was as Canada's #1 center. On a team that had McDavid on it and in a tournament that Eichel played in.
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the topic of trading #2 for #1 should have its own Thread in my opinion. I can see it be interesting to discuss but at the end of the day its not happening. Having McDavid as the face of any franchise is worth more financially (ticket and jersey sales, increase in advertising $'s) than anything the Sabres could offer from a hockey standpoint. This is especialy true when McDavid ends up in Toronto.
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remind me how many were drafted in the top 3?
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Agreed - next year is the stepping stone. 75-85 points would be a great season for such a young team. 2016-17 season play-offs here we come. I hate line-ups that move Reinhart to the wing. I could see Girgensons moving to wing and being Dustin Brown 2.0. If the Islanders go out in the 1st round - you better be sure you can sign O'Reilly to an extension. Giving up the 15-20th pick in this years draft plus another prospect for a 1 and done player seems like a steep price to pay. Pysyks's health is a huge factor for this team (and for him obviously) next year - If healthy he will slot nicely into the 2nd pair D. I honestly could see Zadorov in the AHL for a year playing the #1 D role for the team. I could even see Reinhart in the AHL to start the season. Though if Reinhart plays like he did in the WJC he could pressure Eichel for the #1 Center spot. Bottom Line - congrats to all Tankers and to all non-tankers - you are welcome cause you are about to be treated to the best decade in Sabres history. .
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Next year is going to be a tough one. Watching McDavid and Eichel play in the league while Marner, Hanifin or Strome are back in college / Juniors. I don't think there will be a whole fan base cheering for loses next year as the changes in lottery will dampen attempts to Tank. For me, I'll keep watching, I'll cheer for them again but I will never get over "what could have been". I will say I will harbor ill feelings against any player who decides to be a hero over the next 2 games. They've made their point, they played hard most every game. Time to play for the logo on the front of the crest and not the name on the back.
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If the Islanders lose out in Round 1 - this is the guy I would love to see on the Sabres. i've seen him ranked lower due to his tough season - injuries, suspensions and not putting up the offensive numbers some thought he would. My guess would be he is gone by the time the Sabres are on the board with their 2nd pick (assuming they don't trade it) but you never know. Vande Sompel from Oshawa maybe Dunn from Niagara with a 2nd or 3rd rounder. Jeremy Roy out of the Q would be another that would be a good skating Dman. I am sure someone is going to look at the offensive upside and skating ability of Kylington and take a flyer on him at some point in the 1st round.
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Desert Dogs @ Vancouver: 4-9-2015 10pm EST
Crusader1969 replied to CallawaySabres's topic in The Aud Club
Please God let this be the last Arizona game I have to endure this season. I can't imagine being home on Saturday - having to watch the Ducks game and cheering for the Yotes. Actually if the results go 0-3 against the Sabres over the next few days - I'll just go ahead and order my Hanifin jersey prior to the last Arizona game. -
Lets not get greedy here - lock up 1 before we consider 2.
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He started in the SHL (top league) got loaned to a team in the 2nd division and then demoted again to the Junior team. http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=142238
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he is dropping because he has a terrible hockey IQ and is consistentley poor in his own end from what I've been hearing about him all season. I've been down on him for months and I may not take him with the 31st pick if he were on the board - there will be better options. available.
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The pessimistic me would say they won't need to draft Provorov when they already have Hanifin.
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Absolutely they can as this team will eventually have amazing depth and whomever they draft at 3 is going to be a high end top 6 player. I think the biggest difference will be next year because without McDavid or Eichel the team will be near the top of the draft in 2016 as well. No matter how this plays out over the next few days - the Sabres will be playoff / cup contenders by 2017.
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Changed my mind. Hanifin will still be in college next year and I forgot about Gorges Kane Girgensons Ennis Moulson Grigerenko Free Agent Foligno Reinhart Gionta Deslaurier Larsson McCormack Risto Bogosian Gorges Pysyk (depending on health) Weber Free Agent *Zadorov to the Amerks for the year. Yes, Zemgus can play wing. IF the Sabres land McEichel then I would see him as a top 6 Center until Reinhart is ready. Then he moves to wing and stays in Top 6.
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Thanks, good Stuff. Im still hoping that I don't have to worry about Hanifin v Strome v Marner but as a long time fan of Buffalo sports I know its not over till its over!
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http://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/2015/04/04/jack-eichel-well-aware-of-pre-lottery-hoopla-feschuk.html
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close but not yet! Its Not OVER Till its OVER! plus i dont see Reinhart on RW - he is a Center through and through. Girgensons is more likely to move to wing in my opinion.
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Artūrs Irbe
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If a miracle happens tonight with the Sabres losing and Yotes winning I may actually cheer for the Sabres to beat the Islanders tomorrow. Thought about for another second and no won't cheer for Sabres till they clinch last.