Crusader1969
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Time to close this thread now the 21st pick is gone.
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so much for discussions of who to pick with 21 at least we can put the O'Reilly Rumors to bed.
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I wonder if anti-tankers are happy today? Read through the 2014 draft thread yesterday. Funny reading how certain people would be pissed off if the Sabres took Ekblad. Though to be fair it was more about position (D) rather than directed at the player himself.
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Free draft guide that might interest you http://www.mckeenshockey.com/feature-story/youngblood-hockeys-2015-nhl-draft-guide/
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they did last year and it was a disaster from what I remember.
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McKeen Hockey Scout lists 3 of the best draft day trade-ups in NHL history. Murray was part of two of them: 1) Mighty Ducks of Anaheim bad one of best trade ups ever in 2003 with Dallas. Two 2nds (V.Polak & Crombeen) to move up 8 spots for Corey Perry 2)Sometimes trading up for YOUR guy pays off substantially. See #Sens at 08 draft. Moved up 3 spots to grab Karlsson. Cost was 3rd Rd (T.Beck) I fully expect the Sabres to move up come draft day and hope we see Zacha or Crouse in the Blue and Gold in 1 week. As a Sabres fan we have to give some credit to the trade that brought us Girgensons. Cost was a second rounder ( Patrick Sieloff)
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Best Mock Draft - detailed scouting report and write ups: http://futureconsiderations.ca/ The 3 guys I've campaigned for at 21 (Svechnikov, Guryanov and Sprong) are all gone before Sabres draft. However, the means Meier falls to them which I would be ecstatic about.
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the original poster said he should have been in AHL last year. All i said is he wasnt able to play in AHL last year - didnt matter what his nationality. This is total speculation but would any of the 3 ( Kovalchuk, Radulov and Sobotka) jump back to KHL today if they were still under NHL contracts?
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not looking for a fight with anyone but a rather a discussion on alternative views. I just believe with the KHL in turmoil I don't see it being a leverage avenue for anyone who could make over $3million in the NHL. Bottom line (for me) is you take the best guy available at 21 regardless of nationality.
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yes, I am saying that because he played in the OHL he wasn't eligible to play in the AHL. it doesn't matter what his nationality
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I would be happy with Svechnikov too. Actually they are probably 1 & 2 on my wish list if pick 21 is kept. think Sprong would be 3.
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Did they all sign NHL contracts to start with? So because 3 Russians have left the NHL for the KHL in the last 8 years you are going to write them off completely? Funny all 3 of those guys are rumored to want back to the NHL. what if a guy suffers a career ending injury after a few years? the risk is worth the reward in my view.
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1) Tarasenko was passed over in 2010 by many teams because they feared he wouldn't leave the KHL when his contract was up in 2012. 2) Kuznetsov dropped to 26th even though he was considered one of the most talented players in the draft. http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=764926 Wonder how many teams are disappointed they didn't take a chance on these players. Seriously, are you guys just posting without doing any research at all? Sabres blew the Grigorenko contract by playing him at 18 when he wasn't ready- had nothing to do with his nationality. Zadorov wasn't eligible to play in the AHL - that was the problem not that he was Russian. If you draft Guryanov why would you want to trade him before he develops? Im not sure of the uncertainty. The last 7 Russians drafted between picks 12-26 all signed NHL contracts.Wonder what kind of haul the Blues could get for Tarasenko right now if they wanted to trade him? but they won't - he is too good and they will match any RFA contract he is given. We all understand the economic problems they are having in Russia and the unstable footing the KHL is on? The Russian factor scares me as much as someone saying I won't get presents from Santa if I don't behave or I will go to hell if I don't believe in God. Its all much to do about nothing.
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You can add Grigorenko - I'm not done with him at all. Its not really analysis - its just listing all Russians drafted in what I considered mid first round 12-26 now. The fear of drafting a mid round Russian is that he bolts for the KHL. Even adding Grigorenko all who have been drafted (cept the deceased) signed an NHL contract. So, as I said, except for all of them none of worked out for the team drafting them. I can see why Murray would want to stay away. Guryanov would be a top 10 pick if his name was Bob Smith from the Oshawa Generals.
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I know mid 1st round Russians never seem to pan out. Varlamov - pick 23 2006 Cherepanov - Pick 17 2007 Kulikov - pick 14 2009 Tarasenko - Pick 16 2010 Kuztnetsov - Pick 26 2010 Vasilevskiy - Pick 19 2011 Zadorov - Pick 16 2012 So out of all the Russians picked between 14 and 26 in last 10 years one died and the rest have made an impact in the NHL. But besides all of them - none seem to have worked. out.
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If Grigorenko can turn himself into a winger there is no reason he can't make the Sabres next year. There is definitely a Right Wing Spot available,
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He has Zacha at 6 and Crouse at 11 as well. Thought I was out on a limb all by myself. Would be disappointed if Sabres take Bracco with both Russian wingers on the board. If Sabres go D with the 21st pick I wouldnt mind Bracco at 31 though. Id add Zacha and Rantanen to that list to try to move up for.
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1) Edmonton – McDavid 2) Buffalo – Eichel 3) Arizona – Marner (think they will trade down though) 4) Toronto – Strome 5) Carolina – Hanifin 6) New Jersey – Barzal 7) Philadelphia – Zacha 8) Columbus – Provorov 9) San Jose – Werenski 10) Colorado – Rantanen 11) Florida – Crouse 12) Dallas – Connor 13) LA – White 14) Boston – Merkley 15) Calgary – Jeremy Roy 16) Edmonton – Samsonov 17) Winnipeg – Meier 18) Ottawa – Konecny 19) Detroit – Eriksson Ek 20) Minnesota – Svechnikov 21) Buffalo – Guryanov 22) Washington – Zboril 23) Vancouver – Boeser 24) Toronto – Bittner 25) Winnipeg – DeBrusk 26) Montreal – Harkins 27) Anaheim- Carlo 28) Tampa - Sprong 29) Philadelphia – Chabot 30) Arizona - Roslovic 31) Buffalo - Carlsson
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Second best player behind Guryanov. Does the Russian factor move Svechnikov down the board? Well thought out Mock Draft though. I like Marner better than anyone else after Eichel and McDavid but the Coyotes have a strong need for big centers and I could see them taking Strome and may even surprise with Zacha.
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are there people who would actually be disappointed if Edmonton took Eichel? Eichel may be the best prospect since Crosby but McDavid could be the best prospect since Lemieux.
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why not wait till 51?
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In the Hockey Writers Scenario I would be disappointed the Sabres took Sprong over Svechnikov. Nice thing about it is that Samsonov and Guryanov would be there at 31. Im thinking both are 1st rounders.
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how does a draft board differ from rankings?
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You are definitely being bold with Andersson that is your 11th ranked prospect - the highest I've seen him is at 31 on Craig Buttons list -DraftBuzz and McKeens has him lower than 65th. I saw him play 3 times with Lemiuex was property of the Sabres. I do remember one really nice play defending against Justin Bailey otherwise didnt really stand out to me. from Future Considerations: smart, multi-situational defender. ability to QB power Play by making good reads, hard passes and even harder shot. He lacks speed and was unable to keep up with many OHL forwards.needs to use positional play to compensate for lack of speed. and Eichel over McDavid?? I LOVE Eichel and im super excited for him to be a Sabre but there is no way he is can be ranked higher than McDavid.
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Kessle is all about speed. What happens to his speed and explosiveness if he continues down the path of not working out and eating donoughts. He is already chubby and will only put on more weight. newtons law: F = m a So the more force you supply, the more acceleration you get. But the same equation tells us that a = F / m, so the more massive an object, the less it will be accelerated by a force of the same size or said another way: the fatter Phil gets the slower he becomes and the he becomes a less productive hockey player. Maybe we started to witness this law this past season?
