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Poile is retiring and if we're going to overpay, Saros is a far better idea than Hart.

Saros I did saros. For Rosen, 2024 1st, and something else. Okay so I'm only allowed to suggest players you approve of even though I specifically stated that if Nashville rebuilds, I would ask on Saros since they have Askorov. Got it. Good talk. Basically you should change the title to "let's trade for hart"

You're not going to need to wait 5 years for Quinn.

Then you're ignoring the reasons why there's a surface level similarity by doing that.

And I don't think Hart is a good enough upgrade. I provided an alternative and why he might be on time market this summer but that wasn't good enough for your thread.

Good read what I wrote again

I did

It isn't the assets, it is are you using them to trade for the a serious upgrade? Hart to me looks like an upgrade but not a really great one. If I am going to spend Rosen, a 2nd and something else, I need something more than Hart. It isn't about winning the trade per say but that Hart just isn't enough of an upgrade. For example if Nashville calls and says, we want Rosen, 2024 1st, 2023 2nd, and *insert rochester guy like Weisbach here* I am pulling that trigger. I think it is an overpayment but idc.

Saros would be the goalie I would try and target. If Nashville is rebuilding, they can get some assets for him as they won't be ready to contend again with him on this current deal. They also have Askarov in the pipe so it depends on where they see themselves the next 2 years and what they want. Rosen, a 2nd, and something else would be fine. We already gave them Asplund so maybe that helps.

No. No but in bold My supposition is you can only trade that asset once so you better make sure you trade it for the correct thing and Carter Hart is not it.

We would get destroyed night in and night out. The goalie position has probably undergone the single most advancement since 1983. Buffalo would give up 10 a night.

Im arguing against what you said. Jack Quick does not get knocked off pucks easily. I think that deflected off the defender and he was trying to shoot far side. Maybe it was a pass, hard to tell but here is the clip.

Not really. Arizona has 1 player above 46 points an that is Clayton Keller at 69pts. Buffalo has 5 players over 46 points and all 5 of those players are signed to long term deals. Arizona's best U23 defender is Victor Sodestrom. At 22 he has 5pts in 15 NHL games. Buffalo's best U23 defender is Dahlin and their 2nd best is Power. Power has 26pts in 63 games as a 20yr old. Arizona forfeited a pick in 2022 draft because of cheating... Buffalo didn't. The Sabres 2022 draft is better IMPO. Arizona took Cooley, Geekie, and Lamoureux in the first round and I could argue that only Cooley is better or on par with Savoie and that Östlund and Kulich easily slot above the other two. Arizona is about 2 years behind where Buffalo is to be honest so no, I don't think it is somewhere in the middle. I think it more likely is 20% as opposed to 50% similar.

No you are wrong and I know you are because I watch the games.

This is so frustrating to deal with over and over again. They did cut payroll to the bone in 2020 during the pandemic and every year since then they have added to the org. The Sabres scouting staff and analytics staff is one of the biggest in the league again. The reason they don't have to spend to the cap is because most of their talent is young and hasn't started their second deals or just broke out in the last 2 years and hasn't started their post breakout deals. Comparing Buffalo, an org that is already given out long term high dollar deals and will do so again this summer to Arizona who plays in a NCAA arean is just a lazy surface level comparison IMPO. It is almost as though ppl forget going into the 2021 season (aka last season) the Sabres were in the process of trading Eichel and starting a rebuild which clearly has done pretty decent considering only a year later we are hovering near the playoffs, have a 40+ goal scorer, and a Norris candidate.

So what you are saying is, what I said was correct. It is a myth that Jack Quinn gives up easily.

Again you have to keep changing your paremeters. Now it is NCAA to ALL Stars. I have no doubt that a team of 2023 NHL All Stars beats the 2023 NCAA team. But again, you have to change the topic and toss out strawman after strawman. I'd guess that your formative hockey years were in the 80's or early 90s meaning that you can't divest yourself from the nostalgia of those years. That's fine but bad faith arguments don't make your point.

@JoeSchmoe for all your examples you keep refusing to compare to 2023 NCAA hockey to 1983 hockey and that is basically the most telling part of this.

Let's break this down.... so he did pickup games with members. How many? How old were there? Which members? Why are we comparing Women's hockey to Men's hockey when one gets considerably more funding and players? How does that relate to 1983 hockey? How do 15yr old kids relate to 21 year old NCAA players? Sorry but you have one of the weakest arguments I have seen for this. The 10 yr jump isn't logical, comparing men's hockey to women's hockey in the same time period is a different argument all together, you fail to understand the difference between a 15yr old and a 21yr old, and you fundamentally do not understand the differences in goalie play from 1983 to 2023.... Dude, you are not only reaching, you aren't even making sense anymore.

No you don't understand and don't have a desire to. You think that because you can say that every 10 years the entire league isn't new players that it proves a guy from 1983 would be magically good if teleported to 2023. They wouldn't. Also what a ludicrous example. You literally cannot fathom the gulf between the 1983 players and 2023 players.

What's hard to follow? St Louis was the 190hp jeep when he came into the league. Because he has access to all the upgrades each year, he built himself into the 285hp jeep. The 1980 team doesn't get that. You are missing the GIANT fundamental flaw in your argument. St Louis wasn't the player at 37 he was at 25 because he had alll those years of experience playing against the incrementally improving players flowing into the league. Versus the 1980 team having to make a 40 year jump in skill immediately.

PPL keep saying this and I have never witnessed that to be true. In fact in the NYR game he was engaged, HARD, in his own zone with the puck and fought long and hard enough to clear the zone while under extreme duress. I think this is a myth to be honest and is something I see more from the boards darling, JJP. idk, in 4 months, 5lbs is probably the more likely and safe way to add good muscle. He can't just add bulk, it has to be that endurance type of muscle.

This is important. "If he is good enough" not "Levi is the goalie and everyone else can suck it". Adams holds two thoughts simultaneously, 1) Levi should be the goalie of the future, 2) the gt this year wasn't good enough. What he does this summer should be scrutinized. The defense needs improving and the goaltending needs improving and he needs to accomplish both.

Im glad you proved my point. St Louis had alllllll the incremental improvements from 190hp to 285hp because he was constantly being challenged by better players. the 1983 all stars don't have 15 years of playing against incrementally better players. They just step out as the 1983 all stars. It is amazing that everyone being like "OOOOO OOOOO the 1983 guys are better!" then have to add a bunch of caveats about training and getting better in the modern the NHL. Yea, that's the point, if I got in a time machine and put the 1983 all star team on the ice with a bunch of 2023 college kids, the college kids would smoke them. They are bigger, faster, stronger, smarter players because the game as evolved. This right here pretty much ends the argument.