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They just don't play hockey the same. Savoie Helenius

Zach Benson made Matt Savoie expendable. Do you want to fire the person who wanted Zach Benson? Also, I think anyone adding Helenius into a pool with Savoie calling them the same is blind. Helenius is bigger for 1 but more importantly, does not play hockey the same way Savoie does. They are different.

But when Helenius turns 20, he'll be 2" and 20lbs bigger than Savoie in all likelihood.

Savoie probably is their top prospect, but he wasn't the Sabres. Buffalo could absolutely lose the trade, but Kulich and Helenius are better than Savoie impo at this current moment. I worry about Savoie in tight checking games until he proves otherwise. Kulich, Östlund, Wahlberg, Strbak, all outproduced Savoie at the wjc20. It's a short tournament, but I find that interesting. Helenius basically produced the same as him while being one of the youngest players there. Again, Savoie can be very good in the NHL. We don't know yet, but idk if he's Buffalo's best anymore.

Brady Tkachuk, 37g 37a, 74pts at 24yrs old in his 6th season. JJ Peterka, 28g 22a, 50pts at 22yrs old in his 2nd season. Tkachuk had 21g 23a for 44pts as a 21yr old in his second season. My point is, while I agree Tkachuk is better, is he so much better Buffalo should give up Peterka +++ for him. I'd be skeptical although, this year we'll know.

You aren't getting Tkachuk for any combination of the pieces you list. You're parting with 1 of Quinn, Peterka, or Cozens. You're losing Samuelsson in that trade too. Peterka, Samuelsson, Rosen, and a pick is probably in the ballpark. Also Brady Tkachuk is a LW, not a center.

Yea, no offense to Liiga but the larger ice and different approaches to offense aren't what Helenius needs. He's gotta improve pace and get used to worker in tighter areas where opponents get to him quicker. I tried to look this up but it was hard to find. I think theoretically Jukurit would have to loan Helenius to the AHL. NHL I would guess there's a straight up out clause.

A lot of ppl care about prospect size so who do we want in a future NHLplayoff game?, do ppl want 5'10" 179lb Savoie who's 20 or 5'11" 190lb Helenius who just turned 18?

There is something to be said for the fact away from the big guns in Edmonton, McLeod had mediocre to bad linemates. It's interesting that NAK, Lafferty, and McLeod all have analytic profiles that show they can eat tough minutes fairly well. Maybe the Karmanos department finally convinced Adams that stats matter.

Ftr. I don't agree that a top 10 pick has to make the NHL in their d+2 and contribute. Jack Quinn didn't for example. That said, I think Savioe being great in the WHL at 20 needs to be taken with a grain of salt. We'll just have to see how it all shakes out.

Just gonna leave this here:

Peterka-Thompson-Tuch Zucker-Cozens-Quinn Benson-McLeod-Greenway Malenstyn-Rafferty-Aube-Kubel Krebs I suppose Krebs could beat out Malenstyn or Rafferty. Either way, he's decent insurance.

To get more than Buffalo was offering.

I'd go Helenius Kulich Savoie Östlund Wahlberg If you pressed me to do this without any further research. Savoie dominating the W at 20, doesn't do a lot for me and I felt his game stagnated in the WHL. It was more of the same. He's got great wheels and good hands but I'm curious when that speed advantage drops in the NHL how he'll be. Benson uses his brain to manipulate teams using above average hands and good edges. Savoie uses his edges to give his hands more room but he skates into trouble. Idk, Savoie could be a 70pt NHL guy but he might also be your typical 45-50pt kudos 6 winger with wheels. Savoie was drafted 9th overall

Decline

I think Helenius has a brother now that you mention it...

I don't have a problem with the trade. I was making a joke about your chant of let's go Kevyn

Sabres average age is currently 25.5 They are 6'1" 198lbs This doesn't include Krebs Melestyn and UPL who are unsigned

No No. We support moms round here.

Is... is this Kevyn's mom?

Idk how he can. If he goes to arbitration, he's not getting a massive payday

I trust Cam from EP over Matt. Especially since Cam is in Vancouver and the WHL EP scout.

That Krebs guys is expendable