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He's currently centering Skinner and Tuch. And he leads the team in points.

The problem here is some think it's: Greenway OR a top 4 defender I think we need: Greenway AND a top 4 defender

You don't get it. It's not overvaluing Greenway. He's with a 2nd maybe, it's understanding that's not worth losing Greenway over. We need nhl players not more picks. We already have picks to trade, we don't need more.

Sure but what name you got. Because if we are trading a 2024 1st and Kulich, they better be really good and idk why a team would trade that type of player. Again, the only name I can come up with is Corson Ceulemans out of Columbus (who isn't worth that or that level of guy) because CBJ have 27 other RHD. Now if CBJ want to trade David Jiricek... well now you have my attention.

Yea, because Yzerman is not trading Seider. It just isn't happening. And no, we got more for Eichel (3 1sts and a 2nd). The ROR trade was garbage and should be used for the basis of nothing. Drysdale was traded yesterday so he isn't getting traded again. Which Miller? There's like 4 I can think of. None of the guys you listed Romanov, Hague, and Miller am I inclined to trade a 1st and a 2nd and a prospect for. That's my own personal taste, especially when our 2024 1st is going to be in top 10 in a very defense heavy draft. Romanov is worth a 2nd and maybe a B prospect like Polatpov or something. Hague same thing. I am going to guess Miller is K'andre Miller and that is a player I think is worth what you are suggesting.

You wanna know why I think we should use the other assets we have and not Greenway to find a top 4 defender? Because we need Greenway in our top 12 and I am sick of trading NHL players for future maybes and a 2nd round pick has about a 20% chance to be an NHL player, just a player, let alone as good as Greenway can be. We should keep Greenway and try to make the playoffs next year. Considering he isn't on the market as the OP claims in their title and it is just Vancouver writers picking guys they want, I am not concerned about this.

Why should a team with every single guy in their top 9 under 26 accept Skinner want more picks when they still have Kulich, Östlund, Savoie, and Rose, Wahlberg, Strbak, Novikov, etc... in their prospect pool, why? What in hell does ditching Greenway so we have a 2nd and a 3rd do for us? Don't say for a trade because I can use Buffalo's 2nd and 3rd round pick in 2024 right now for that without doing anything. You can literally package those picks already because we have them with Greenway for example for someone of value. Also for the love of zeus's caboose, next time you mention trading for Moritz Seider I am going to call for you to be banned, Connor McDavid is more likely to be traded than Seider. Im sorry do I see Luke Hughes now as well? Holy crap man this isn't even borderline realistic. You wanna know what a Seider trade looks like... Owen Power, Jiri Kulich, One of (Peterka/Quinn/Cozens/Benson) and a 2nd (because Yzerman loves that kid and it is their #1 defender). Hard pass. You listing "A 1st, 2nd, and a prospect is the max reasonable payout." is insane. Wookie wouldn't even suggest that for Seider, Hughes, or Bouchard. I get these are just names you are tossing out but find realistic ones. Corson Ceulemans is a realistic RFA guy you could trade a 2nd and prospect for, not Mortiz Seider. Yzerman would crawl over broken glass while on fire to keep Seider on his team. Not your bow? What about your ax?

The point of keeping greenway is to win hockey games.

A few more bullets? Are you mad? The dude has a .50 cal with a 100 round box mag. Sabres have 6 picks in 2024 including in rounds 1-4. They have 9 picks in 2025 including an extra 4th and 7th rounder. They have a prospect list that I will just rough out... Kulich, Savoie, Östlund, Wahlberg, Strbak, McCarthy, Neuchev, Novikov, Rosen, Kisakov, Lindgren, Komarov. What on earth does Adams need to get a top 4 defender he doesn't already have. In fact I would bet money that packaging Greenway and one of the mentioned players here would get you further than trading Greenway for a 3rd, 5th and a teams Wahlberg equivalent.

We don't have anyone to bring in! That's the freaking point. Kulich is probably the only ready NHL player we could reasonably count on next season. But if we keep Greenway that means if Kulich stumbles or sucks, you just put Greenway back on the 3rd line because he's a 3rd line penalty killing forward. Or if someone gets injured, well at least we got Greenway kids to slide up that lineup. There is no "bunch to keep" because they are all signed, why don't you understand that? There is no one to bring in that plays his game. Why don't you get that? No we don't. That's the point, wtf are we going to do with another 3rd round pick and Team X's 7th best prospect who would be are 15th best prospect.

Unless I do this for 5v5 and then it isn't. 0.8p60 for Boqvist and 1.0p60 5v5 for Jokiharju. Boqvist will not be getting PP time in Buffalo so you are better off taking those 5v5 numbers. Here you want to use corsi? Boqvist: 48.1 Joker: 49.7 What about xgf% Boqvist: -2 Joker: 0.6 What are we doing here? You can trade Joker for Boqvist, I don't actually care but they are basically the same player. It doesn't move the needle.

Omg, this is annoying. Stop for a second. Jordan Greenway is only signed through next season at 3million dollars. After that his contract ends. Jack Quinn, JJP, Devon Levi, Ryan Johnson are all signed through next season as well so NO ONE gives a ***** about Greenway's 3 million bucks because it literally has no impact on any of those listed players. Krebs is going to get his qualifying offer and that's probably about it for his raise. Mitts can probably ask for 8mil if he wants but again, that fits under the cap easy and has no impact on keeping jordan greenway next year or signing any of the other listed players after next year. Stop spouting nonsense about having to pay players that are not up for new deals so we have to trade away Jordan Greenway. https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/sabres If this ***** team is still rebuilding next year, I hope Adams and the lot of them are shipped to Siberia with Terry Pegula leading the way.

Bruh (lol), you wanna know why Boqvist is at 0.43ppg and Joker is at 0.25ppg? Because you tell us with your very first sentence. Adam Boqvist, pts per 60: 1.2p/60 (2023) Henri Jokiharju, pts per 60: 0.9p/60 (2023) Boqvist gets more TOI and probably some better opportunities, in fact Jokihajru is actually higher at 5v5 pts/60 this season and was barely below Boqvist last year. Again, you can do this but that trade is basically Jokiharju and a 4th for Boqvist.

LOL what? What does this even mean. The Sabres are 16million under the cap right this second, we need more for what? Our top 6 forwards are all signed through next year, every single one of them. Our top 4 defense is all signed through next year as well and we would still have money left over if we were to acquire a top 4 defender because again we have MILLIONS in cap space and will again next year. This makes no sense at all. The guy is 3mil on the cap next year when we will have 25million in cap with only 1 important RFA to sign and no UFAs we have to keep. You are spending 1mil on any 4th liner you bring in anyway so you are literally arguing we have to trade Greenway because we will need 2mil in cap space for ... what?

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Personally I don't think the Sabres top 9 is the issue. I think Tage, Cozens, and Mitts are a solid center spine. I think Tuch, Quinn, are a great rw. Skinner and JJP are good on the lw. Benson is only going to get better. Honestly, I really hope Kulich puts in the work because a line of Kulich - Mitts - Benson next year could be great but also I would rather we acquire another winger so I don't have to hope that 19yr old Benson and 20yr old Kulich are great.

Okay, show me some type of proof other than your word. You are right we will need to sign or trade for a defender this offseason. I am not sure this board would be happy about Kulich, 3rd round pick in 2024, and Strbak for Byram. Packaging Greenway to trade for a legit #3/4 defender is a good idea, trading Greenway for some picks and prospects because we might be able to flip those in some future deal for said #3/4 defender is a bad idea. We already have the ammunition to trade for a #3/4 defender without ditching a 3rd line winger who has value due to their PK and defensive abilities. Columbus is going to have to trade a defender at some point, probably this offseason for example. Calgary will probably be trading pieces at the deadline or offseason. I have no issue with getting a #3/4 defender but trading Greenway for some stuff is a waste of assets when he actually is useful to the team.

Skinner has a full NTC so he isn't going anywhere. Which of Tage, Tuch, Cozens, JJP, Quinn, Mitts, and Benson are you willing to trade for defensive help?

None of the players in Rochester have shown an ounce of being able to do what Greenway does. WTF do we need another 2nd and 5th round pick and some ***** prospect that no one gives a ***** about when you in this very post say "we have enough young forwards in the AHL"? This is how not to build a team 101, draft a bazillion guys over 3 years and then turn around and trade an NHL player who is useful to your team so you can get more draft picks and prospects. We already have assets to get a #4 defender who typically cost at most a 2nd and a prospect. What a ***** waste of time this would be. We aren't trading for any of the UFA's you listed because lol, that doesn't make sense and Adams certainly will feel that way. Boqvist is Jokiharju with a different name and potentially not as good, no. Bouchard you literally can't trade for unless you wanna ship out Power or Cozens. Seider... LMFAO, you think Yzerman will trade his former 6th overall pick and best defender? Are you mad? I don't mind Byram but why on earth would Colorado want to trade him? Why would they want a couple of 2nd round picks and Isak Rosen or something? They wouldn't. So out of the list of RFAs you have here, 2 are almost guaranteed to be impossible to acquire unless you want to trade Owen Power, Dylan Cozens, JJP, OR Jack Quinn (1 of them would be the starting point for a Seider or Bouchard trade and then you have to add). Boqvist isn't much of an upgrade if at all so why bother. Sure if Colorado really wanted to rebuild they could trade their 22yr old defender but I again, you'd be looking to give them a prospect and a pick they really like (think Kulich and a 2nd and probably a sweetener like Strbak).

Unlikely. You don't fill all that via trade because you couldn't and I'd bet money Adams is not goalie shopping. 1 of the D we need is a 5th defender, that's like a 3rd round pick maybe. The other defender we need is like Savoie and 50% olofsson retained because we have Dahlin which means we don't need a #1. There is literally no one in Rochester to replace him with. Trading nhl players under contract for picks is the last thing this team should be doing. Idk why anyone would care if Greenway was on the 4th line. It would be an improvement over Zemgus and Greenway can slide up the lineup as needed. It's called depth, it's what real nhl teams do.

None of Savoie, Kulich, or Rosen should be penciled into the top 9 next season. This doesn't indicate Greenway is on the market. In fact it says nothing other than Vancouver has interest but who cares who Vancouver is interested in?

Tage Thomspon 6'6" 220, Greenway 6'6" 231, Alex Tuch 6'4" 218, Cozenz 6'3" 195, Mitts 6'1" 196, Okposo 6' 218, JJP 6' 190, Quinn 6'1" 185, Eric Robinson 6'2" 201. Krebs 6' 187, Zemgus is 6'2" 201: The Sabres do not lack size, they lack grit and determination to impose themselves on other teams. They rank 4th overall in height and 6th overall in weight. Jiri Kulich is 6'1" 185lbs, he's almost the exact average height and weight of an NHL forward. Rosen and Savoie are definitely smaller. Don't tell Benson he is small, he might just strip the puck and shield you off anyways cuz honey badger don't care.