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Pronman being this low on Zach Benson has convinced me he's a complete hack. Just does not understand the elite level problem solving Benson brings and why that is going to make him a great hockey player.

The thing with Worlds is twofold. First is most teams are men's teams so an 18yr old there is a big deal, see konsta helenius. Second, it happens right before draft time so you get recency bias at play too. My issue with worlds is it is short. The best players aren't there although many good ones are. Finally some teams give lots of opportunities to their young guys and some don't. Just like ffb, opportunities or targets matter. It's why Benson is so under the radar, he has almost 0 pp opportunities but was very good 5v5. When scouting it's better to see someone play well here but if they don't it doesn't really mean that much imo.

Well Quinn might be top 20 but Benson would be another year before he's in that conversation. 75 is the cutoff for top 15 winger, I could see Quinn around that.

It did. NHL teams over value the world's a bit. Again, I don't have issues with Power. I like him, he's gonna be a solid #2 guy and if he adds about 25% physicality that will be fine.

@JohnC I find it pretty disingenuous for you to use the terms "dominant" and "elite" for his college play and then accuse me of red herring when I said "talk about him like a super star" considering elite and Dominant is how you'd talk about a super star. So the bottom line here is your red herring comment is bull hockey. Owen Power wasn't Dominant or elite in college. He was good. Ftr, I like Owen Power a lot. He's a good hockey player.

Zach Benson is better Seth Jarvis. Remember that.

First, I used the language you and other did. Elite and Dominant, which is incorrect. I'll prove you said that below. Second, he shouldn't have been the consensus #1 and I vehemently argued against that with data in his draft year. So far, it is starting to come to fruition that he was indeed not the best player in his class. We'll see if that changes. Third, there is no red herring. You just want to dismiss my argument without any type of proof. It's an old trick, but it gets used a lot. You used the term "elite player in college" which is not accurate. He was a good, not elite player in college. Here's 2 references. First it implies he'll be a star, second he's called dominant in college, which he wasn't. Final nitpick, you claim "He was an elite player in college in his short stint there" but Owen Power played 59 games over 2 years. That's not really that short and while his 2nd year was very good, he was not dominant or elite. Rasmus Dahlin is elite, Power is a level below that. I really hope he grows up and becomes dominant but so far, he's the nhl version of his college self; a steady positional defender with little physicality who uses his length to take away space and uses his passing for good outlet passes. He's a solid #3 right now and can become a 40pt+ #2 defender. My issue is that's not how he's being described.

Jack Quinn will be a better player than Dylan Cozens this year. Quinn isn't dependent on Cozens. You have that backwards.

Owen Power was not a dominant or elite player in college. He was very good, yes. But y'all are talking about him like he was some super star, he wasn't. He was a good defender with good production.

Puckpedia has the contract listed at 7.5 million per season to 2032

NHL teams don't understand the position in terms of drafting. They look for 6'4" + guys and then use the eye test to draft the "best" one.

EP loves Leenders and basically called him the steel of the draft.

this is the model for Quinn and Jjp and Benson.

Tried to say what he was at draft time and was ridiculed and told I was wrong etc... Owen Power is almost exactly the player I thought. He's a solid #2/3 defender and shouldn't have been the 1st overall pick. Really hope he takes a big step this year and proves me wrong.

I haven't honestly seen enough of Wahlberg. I think he has been a bit overhyped.

"Skates good for his size" = "Straight line fast and doesn't trip over their own feet"

Pronman doesn't believe in small players at any position. It is why Benson will be downgraded by him forever and why Levi will too. Pronman would rank a 6'5" talentless booger that had below average skating but could skate fast in a straight line higher than any sub 6' forward with elite skills but average skating. He's so size bias it is getting ridiculous.

EP puts Buffalo at #16 for prospect pools but they graduated out Benson and Levi. Owen Power is also not listed because they are only looking at prospects and not what pronman did which is U23. https://eprinkside.com/2024/08/28/ep-rinkside-2024-nhl-prospect-pool-rankings-no-16-ranked-buffalo-sabres Helenius Kulich Östlund Rosen Kleber Leenders (Levi is not eligible for this list BTW) Ziemer McCarthy Komarov Neuchev Strbak Osburn Wahlberg Novikov Ratzlaff Marjala Leinonen (I am shocked. Shocked! Well not that shocked) Poltapov

It is a comparison of Östlund v. Helenius' seasons