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We didn't have enough NHL capable players and we had no veterans for our young kids. TM didn't have the luxury of patience. He needed to fill a roster with players good enough to allow the tank fruit to develop. He had to give up assets to do it. Otherwise we would have been dressing Mezaros and Neidermayer again. You can make a good argument that he traded assets for the wrong players. That's legit. But that's also not the argument being made here.

Been that way for me since they started losing on purpose. Welcome to the apathy club.

Shades of Shayne Corson telling Brad May in his rookie year that May was “just another in a long line of Sabres #%$$\%$”. Except May proceeded to show Corson differently immediately afterward.

You know what is fun? Winning hockey games and being in the playoff race. The Hasek led teams would have been in the upper left quadrant. It was fun. We’ve forgotten how fun just simply winning more games than you lose can be. NYI is above Deluca .500, or at least was the last time I looked. Let’s start with winning games first and then go from there. I’ll take wins any way we get them. Cheese and rice. After a decade of suckitude we’re going to fussy about how we win?

https://twitter.com/annalecta/status/1223427007263989760?s=21

LOL do you even roster?

Yeah super boring watching winning hockey. Sucks to be them.

Irrational exuberance. The young players on the roster now are good pieces. That’s not the cupboard though. Rochester and juniors is the cupboard. Outside of Cozens and maybe UPL there just isn’t anything to be excited about. Who knows? He did say the owner would determine the extent of the rebuild.

Right. There is no quick fix. The cupboards are way too bare. Perennial implies that we have players in Roc well along enough in the development cycle to step in and be effective. We aren’t even at the point yet where we have enough NHL players capable of moving up a line as needed, let alone guys in the A ready to step in. Suffering wasn’t sold hard enough as a long range possibility, even though it was a likely outcome of a complete tear down.

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This situation is interesting in all kinds of bad ways. When Hutton was brought in he had a reputation as a good locker room guy. A team guy. There is more than just Hutton that is broken here. Yet again, we have another player who mentally walks away from this team. Its a pattern now with multiple players over multiple seasons. WTF is going on in Pegula-ville?

Smith Brown and Miller as above

The only thing I can think of is the two versions of Ramsey/Ramsay Oh snap! There is a Miller on the team now. It is MIller. Brad, Ryan, and the guy RK won't let play.

Brown is the other. Curtis Brown Brad Brown Greg Brown Still trying to get that 3rd last name.

I got 2 in like 4 seconds. Is the 3rd more prevalent in Canadia?

considering they followed the same path I'm not surprised.

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Vision systems today are stupid good. There is no reason why it couldn't be supplemented with a good vision system. You wouldn't want to rely on line of sight for everything, but between the two I bet you'd have better results than the officials and video replay.

\m/ *headbang*

What if they did but populated Tampa with all the clones? No, Thats not right. Clones can never hit what they’re shooting at. Never mind.

The issue with simply plugging 2 more centers onto this roster and saying,” see how good this looks “ is that in order to get 2 good centers you are going to have to give up some of the good roster players on this team to get them. So you can’t just plug in X and Y and say we’re improved. Somewhere this roster gets downgraded to upgrade center. The ugly downside to tearing the team down to nothing is now we are pretty much solely dependent on the timing required to rebuild almost completely through the draft. The risk that it would take this long or longer was always high.

I have no idea who that is, but I approve of the message nonetheless.

I’m in. Sign me up to trade a young star or star to be for a handful of really good players that push our bottom 6 off the roster. Lets jump start this ***** show.

I think Eleven mentioned Biron as Linus’ comparable first. Seems about right. Puppa works for this as well. Or Sauve for the older set.

2 top 6 players is a pretty big acquisition. You don’t seem many teams adding two top 6 guys in one season. If that were to happen it would push a couple of players off the roster. Erod, Sheary, Okoso, Vesey, Girgensons, Larsson, take your pick. That would def make the team look very different. Would that and a respectable goalie make this a playoff team? I think so. But adding 2 top 6 players is a pretty big deal. Especially considering you most likely would have to give up real players to get them unless you are buying rentals. And that’s where the calculus gets interesting. Give up a real player to get another real player and now you are talking marginal improvement with bottom guys maybe still on the roster. Does that get us playoffs? I’m not as certain.