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I couldn’t care less if players have power. In my opinion when you sign a contract with the captaincy either explicitly or effectively given to you as a part of the deal; the player has an obligation to stick through most if not the entire contract. Anything besides that, not including the team itself dealing the player against their wishes, is a sign of a lack of conviction and character.

I’ve read Dumba is just shot at this point Zero interest in Amadio with those contract numbers. Same goes for Blueger.

Ah yes, laugh all you want Thorny; because obviously a guy who forced the letter C be on his jersey and then would turn around and demand a trade are sure signs of a high character individual. Unlike Vegas, we don’t exactly have a group of vets who can more or less tell Tkachuk to grow up, stop being a problem child, and play hockey. For us to improve the team doesn’t require us to just throw assets at a problem and pray it succeeds. You can still be smart with your moves even when possibly slightly overpaying. If a team will take a 2nd and a prospect for a player; you don’t need to give them a 3rd for giggles. Simultaneously when acquiring rental players you need to make sure they wouldn’t be Eric Staals

Sadly that remains doubtful; the captaincy was a part of his contract negotiations in Ottawa and asking out would make him as low character as a non-criminal can be.

Gourde is still a solid player and Tanev isn't exactly over the hill for 1 year. I wouldn't go so far as to extend Gourde for 4/5 years but both he and Tanev have another couple years of bot 6 play in them.

How far would Vancouver be from Florida? I'd guess that would be the max possible

Kapanen is one of the softest players in the league. While overpriced we are also desiring that playoff experience and general veterancy

Hence my counter proposal, I’m willing to “lose” some in the long term but just not straight up 11 and 2 RFAs for 3 UFAs especially without retention involved. Effectively at full price I have no idea how we’d field a good team because we’d need to magically convince multiple quality 4th liners and bench players to sign to league minimum contracts.

Well I do feel my counter proposal is very fair still

And if we still fail; then what?

Just so you know I'm getting good reviews for my slight alteration.

First I’d want to keep 11 until Iginla is off the board and perhaps Eisserman. If both are gone; then I’m more open to trade down. So my offer would be 11, Jokiharju, and Krebs for Gourde, Tanev, Larsson and 40 I’d throw in a 3rd next year for some retention on Gourde. https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/5192733

I’d say no, but based on value and cap space. Essentially you are taking on 12.6mil cap for 30+ players with only 1 year apiece and sending a high 1st and 2 much younger players back. Id offer next year’s 2nd with a playoff berth condition to become a 1st. But not 1 guy there is worth the 11th pick in the draft. However player wise I’d be interested just not at that exorbitant price. Could we do it; with retention perhaps, but from a value standpoint we’d be getting screwed. Another question would be could we get any of them to stay one or two more years at a reasonable cap hit

The thing is we don’t know what our team will be like in the playoffs. Players always step up their game, but that doesn’t necessarily mean they can handle playoff hockey. Marner is one of many who have been found to have issues with playoff hockey. But nothing can truly predict playoff effectiveness. Patrick Kane is very similar to Marner in stature and actually less of a two way player; yet he has always been a clutch performer in the playoffs.

Worked from Joe's idea https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/5185758

My guess is Jokiharju will be looking for about 4mil AAV Bryson would be a UFA is his qualifier isn't made and he'd be free to come back to Buffalo or go anywhere he wants. Essentially I feel we give up too much while simultaneously Tampa gains two unneeded assets. For instance, let's say Jokiharju equals a 2nd but only a 3rd or 4th to Tampa. In that case we are better off getting the 2nd from elsewhere.

Trade 1: Depending on the pick, sure Trade 2: Hurts but sure Trade 3: Nah, no thanks at that price; likewise I mentioned why Bryson wouldn't make sense for Tampa. Draft: Not sure, he has the talent but lacks size and would be par the course with our drafts 3.5mil to find 3 subs seems doable. Since Bryson might still be open even with the trade; offer him 2/3x1.3mil Give Brendan Smith 1mil And Tyler Johnson or like vet F 1mil and your good to go.

Jeannot is not worth anywhere near that, he has had 8 goals and 10 assists in 75 games with Tampa. A -16 +/- which is kind of weird since he had a positive Relative Corsi and Fenwick this past season. Comparatively he's a less offensive and slightly better defensive Girgensons that hits a lot. No where near a 1st rounder in value. As for Tampa, every indication by Tampa and Stamkos has been he is returning next year; he's still skating with Kucherov and the Tampa GM has said they are working on it. To accomplish that even with Stamkos taking a pay cut into the 5 to 6mil range; they'd need to jettison Jeannot and Sheary and replace both with extremely cheap players. For instance more 800k guys. The latter trade is far more legitimate in value however I don't see Tampa having any interest in Jokiharju or Bryson. (Effectively Jokiharju would end up a 4mil AAV 5th/6th Dman while Bryson would likely just walk since I can't see Tampa paying his Qualifier. Meanwhile, Kulich would be thrust into Top 6 minutes due to Tampa's roster construction barring 2 more forwards being brought in. Stamkos - Point - Kucherov Hagel - Paul - *Kulich* Sheary - Eyssimont - Glendening XXX-XXX-Chaffee Hedman - Sergachev McDonagh - Cernak Perbix - Raddysh

Aside Kulich, not much but I would feel "had"

Tampa has to move Jeannot or lose Stamkos; they ***** up the trade with NSH. No reason we should feel any need to aid them in making up for their idiocy.

Jeannot isn't worth anywhere near that much in value. He's worth about a 4th or 3rd at best. Girgensons has arguably been a better player the past two years. As such it become massive overpay for Cirelli; plus no team is going to retain 500k for 7 years. Cirelli isn't worth 11, Rosen, Kulich and Jokiharju(2nd rounder) + Bryson 1. Kulich is not available for Tampa, Savoie and him strike me as highly likely to make us endlessly regret trading them to Tampa based on their team style and such. Kulich puts up 40 within 3 years if we deal him there. 2. Your offer is actually more value than what we got for Eichel. You effectively offered 3 1sts, 1 2nd and 1 4th/3rd for a low offense 2/3C(High end defensive player) and a nigh-cap dump that hits

Savoie might have an injury; he was randomly moved to wing and seems to have fewer minutes since the 1st game of the Memorial Cup. Most telling is his lack of production and face offs attempted

https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/5181290 Tried to fix the seeming issue with the Seattle trade.

They aren't getting a Top prospect for 3 UFAs The max is Joki, Rosen, and a 2nd I'd drop out Tanev but they aren't getting Joki(RFA), Rosen(ELC) and a 2nd for Gourde(UFA) and Borgen(UFA) Mostly because its hard to gauge Gourde's value because you could pole Seattle fans and get everything from 1st round picks to he's a cap dump

A rather conservative approach to redoing the Bot 6 https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/5166646