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I'd explain myself but you'll just ignore it like you have pretty much everything else I've said so far.

I'm sorry you didn't see my first or second or third or fourth explanation about who is at fault and who should be blamed. Apparently you're stuck one statement and one statement only. If you're unwilling to listen to me, then I'm just wasting my time. You really need to get out more. I'm pretty sure I've spent more time around 17-23 year olds than you have.

It's so easy that nobody here has yet to tell us how. Not sure how old some of the people on here are, but it's not as easy as you think. I would bang that mallet, but it wouldn't go over very well.

No, that's nowhere near what I was saying. If he knowingly had sex with a minor and/or forced himself on her, then hang him. I've mentioned that several times know, by the way. If he was led on, in an adult establishment, by a woman/girl that lied about her age................. how can you possibly find Kane guilty? I've asked over and over now how anybody proposes avoiding this situation outside of getting copies of ID's and signing disclaimers before sleeping with somebody. The best I've seen so far is 'he should have known better'............. HOW?!?! Use some logic here, when I say there is blame to go around with all parties involved doesn't equate to statutory rape is acceptable.

I'm all for kids getting out of the house. I'm all for kids getting into trouble. It helps them later in life. I think kids today are sheltered, pampered and not nearly ready for reality like they used to be. I said back on post #276 that I don't place the blame solely on the parents. What I did say is IF this is what happened then it needs to be chalked up as an unfortunate incident that all parties need to learn from. What is it you want me to say?

I understand it happens, I don't need to have kids to know that. I also understand that some parents just don't give a damn what their kids do.

Sorry, even though I quoted you I wasn't specifically directing that at you. It was more of a general statement, I just included you because you mentioned not liking either party.

How is that idealistic?

If I'm a parent there is no way in hell I'm letting my kid in a bar late at night. I'm not sure about the laws in NY, but in some states there are different laws for bars. Some don't allow anybody under 21 in the establishment, some are classified differently based on the amount of tables to bar space if they happen to serve food, etc........... I'm not placing the blame on the parents. What I'm saying is, if Kane legitimately thought she was old enough, if she lied to him and led him to believe he wasn't doing anything illegal........... then the parents can't possibly find him at fault for what happened. If the parents were that concerned they wouldn't have let her go to a bar. Now on this I may be wrong, it was a bar in Eden........ so I'm going to assume it wasn't a TGIF.

I agree, this is one of the most civilized forums I've been on. Rarely does anybody here cross the line, I don't think getting on a moral high horse and telling people what they think is unacceptable to talk about is the way to go.

It's possible but highly unlikely. And if so, she'd have to do it on company time because most bars won't allow an employee that is minor to partake in any after hours activities Of course they're all different. It could be the parents, it could be the girl. Truth is, IF this hypothetical is true (and it's not highly unlikely) today's society will want to blame somebody. I really don't think there should be any blame in this case but if there were it should fall on the parents. If Kane was in an over 21 establishment, was with a girl that lied about her age then it's really tough to place any blame on him. You also can't blame the girl because by law she's not old enough to make an educated decision. That leaves the parents. I also don't think the parents should be at fault but if there is anybody that should be held accountable in this hypothetical situation, it should be the parents. Just to make sure we have one thing straight. I'm not condoning what Kane did or what may be other hypotheticals. If he did force himself on her, he should hang (not literally), same goes for if he knew she was a minor. But if this hypothetical holds true this should be a situation that is deemed an unfortunate incident and all parties agree to move on. There doesn't always need to be somebody to place blame on. It's obvious you're convinced we're all trying to dismiss what happened. If you can't take my word for it, I'm pretty much wasting my time. I have to disagree with the mid 20's scenario. I know just as many people that are with a spouse/significant other where the difference in ages are far greater than four or five years that have great relationships. Should he grow up? Maybe. But it's besides the point. If/when it ends up in court there won't be a defense saying "this rape never would have happened if he was doing what some consider to be the morally perfect timeline of life". That's one way to look at it. Personally I think most kids these days are much more sheltered than they used to be. If anything people that are 21 are much more immature. They might be smarter and might dress older, but they're not as mature. In my opinion 21 year olds are much more similar than they used to be so if I came across a woman that is overly mature Kane might think she's even older. Who knows, but I just don't see 21 year olds being mature. I would bet this happens much more often than we think, I'm guessing there are more than a handful of pro athletes that have had sex with a minor without even knowing it. No snark there............... Wait, so there isn't a definintive line for every human where everything magically changes on your 17th, 18th and 21st birthday? :rolleyes:

Because she's at a bar hitting on a 26 year old. I caught myself typing that and thinking holy crap I'm not that old. :lol:

Why are you dragging him into the discussion? :flirt:

Nobody's making a joke out of this. Please make a list of what we're allowed to discuss and what we're not. His opinion is plausible no matter how much you don't want to believe it.

No it's not easy if she is posing as an adult. Standard procedure when courting a woman at an adult establishment.........

Nobody's making light of the situation. And if this forum outlawed opinions it probably wouldn't exist.

Until a law says that we need to present ID's and sign disclaimers before sleeping with somebody, what else is somebody supposed to do when they are approached by somebody dressed as an adult, lying about their age while in an adult establishment?

And the hypothetical I was referring to was that she lied about her age and/or given the impression she was old enough, not to mention attending an adult venue. You can't do the right thing when you're out in a situation where you don't think you're doing anything wrong. If this is the case, emphasis on the word 'if' then the parents need to be held accountable. If she's not old enough to consent then she is under the control of her parents.

So?

Sure it does. If she's underage purposely looking for grown men at adult venues, that's not Kane's fault. It's the parents fault for her being in that situation.

Because it's all speculation at this point. He wasn't dismissing anything, it was a hypothetical.

Absolutely. If he really did rape her, hang him. But if she knowingly sought him out and lied about her age, her parents need the book thrown at them.

Maybe a little off topic (but it seems to want to head that way) if the girl is underage and knowingly heads to an adult venue and a grown man has sex with her thinking she is old enough (perhaps she even lied about her age) at what point are the parents the ones held liable? If she's underage then it's the parents fault she's in that situation. Food for thought.

I never said that you made the insinuation that they were young kids. The media did that. You however jumped the gun and said he didn't deserve the benefit of the doubt. There were no charges, the parents dropped them. If there was anything criminally significant the city/county would have charged him themselves. A settlement isn't an admission of guilt. A settlement is a sign that the accused isn't going to risk his career by going through the process. In most cases if the accusers go for a settlement they have an ulterior motive. The fact that you did assume they were older teenagers and still assumed guilt makes it even worse. I don't hold it against you, young people are naturally naive.

3rd party is always an option. All I hear around election time is either 'A vote for _______ is a vote for ______' and it's usually said by the same people that say 'I'm voting for the lesser of two evils'. As long as people have the mentality that they have to vote for one of two parties, there will never be any change.