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Thank you.

It's OK, I came into this thread with the impression that my point would get some pushack.

This is getting ridiculous. I'm not going to get into x-rated examples of how your scenario is absurd. Nor am I going to get almost as far as having a lawyer in the room to fill out paperwork before I go through the deed. Something needs to be done about sexual abuse. And so does this rampant progressivism. A line needs to be drawn, it seems some people's idea of fixing the situation is by leaping over that line in a full sprint to the end of the spectrum. I'm reminded of the scene in Demolition Man. Oh how that movie gets more and more accurate by the day.

Do I really need to get specific by mentioning underwear? Is leaving your T-shirt on while having sex really going to alter my point?

Again, it was implied in the scenario in which she doesn't say 'no'. Sex doesn't happen with clothes on. If the clothers are completely on then a scenario of sexual abuse because she didn't say 'no' never happens.

My scenario was drawn up because of posts similar to this.

Of course if somebody says 'no', then it needs to stop. But this isn't about saying 'no', it's about NOT saying 'no' and then claiming sexual abuse.

It's not that silly, it's an implied hypothetcial based on the assumptions that some women don't say no and go through with the act becuase of social pressures. Not sure how else a hypothetical could play out.

The impressions have been (over the last page or two) that some women don't say 'no' and they don't give the impression they don't want to have sex because of social pressures, etc...... If she decides she doesn't want to have sex, how is the man supposed to know? I'm not trying to sound cold, but at some point people need to stop trying to blame somebody, or something else. Say I'm a female, I've been dancing with you all night, we're having a good time, we go back to your place, we make it into bed, we start taking off our clothes. At that point I decide it's gone too far but I don't say 'no' and I don't give the impression I don't want it to go any further because of social pressures. How is it your fault if we have sex? And no, it's not always obvious.

Last I checked the next step in two people having sexual relations after they hook up (willingly or not) is removal of clothes. I'm pretty sure that's what happens 100% of the time in the timeline of having sex. I don't think people generally reach into somebody else's pocket to grab their wallet when discussing financial matters. Maybe it's different in BFLO. If two people hook up at a club after they've been dancing together, they decide to go back to one of their places together, they get into bed and are preparing to have sex........... then she decides she doesn't want to have sex. How do you suggest we stop this advancement when she doesn't give the impression she doesn't want to stop, not to mention never says 'no'?

How do you suggest we accomplish this, preventing sexual advances when neither party shows reluctance?

Ouch. Glad that was filtered, I'm ashamed at the level of filth in which this forum has lowered itself.

Maybe it's just me, and Sizzle gets the point, but you're forming your own conclusions based on what you want to hear. You give the impression that any person that even slightly questions the narrative is the devil and there is some underlying anti-femininst agenda. Your effort is admirable, you obviously have a very strong politically correct Utopia conjured up in your mind. But you're trying to come up with situations where there needs to be a victim whether it's in this thread about rape or when we discussed race in the political thread.

I'm not quite sure that is what was implied. You're jumping to conclusions that don't exist. Excellent point. Society wants equality, they should be equally responsible.

Definitely been interesting.

This is kind of where I was going with my last post. Why do we need to draw a line? THAT is where the problems start. Why can't we accept the fact that no matter how much we try to change society, no matter how much we try to regulate society, no matter how much we try to make it politically correct....... it's just not going to make any more of a difference? Why do people need to judge those who go on Tinder? Why do people need to think they have an ethical and moral obligation to please society so they change their actions to conform? Society wants men and women to be equal, it's just not going to happen. As much as it may sound politically correct, Mother Nature always wins out. Men and women are not equal, this is a fact that can't be argued. I don't think the problem is that we've stopped calling evil "EVIL" and sin "SIN"........... I think the problem is we call it too often.

Double standards occur for a reason; nature made men and women differently, we are not the same. I'm not saying one is worse than the other, not saying one is better. But we are not equal. Society is trying to make it that way. Feel free to apply that as you see fit.

Not everybody is a victim.

I didn't see his post that way at all. While Josie's post deserves merit and is important because this thread does lack the input of females, it is just as important as the rest. When it comes to sexual encounters there are two people involved. In most cases it's a woman and a man. In order to understand the psychology behind sexual abuse and rape both sides must be represented. By pointing this out doesn't degrade or belittle her post in any way. We all speak from personal experiences.

Not caught up, but I think the term 'rape culture' is another catch phrase conjured up by the media to give everybody the impression that it is some sort of epidemic on the verge of destroying society. It's nothing new, they do it often and it irresponsibly divides people, creates hysteria and leads to premature reactions. It a ridiculous phrase that isn't representative of our society as a whole.

Is this worth catching up on the last four pages?

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Is that Glendale's way of tanking again this season?

Smart man!

I find Twitter useful for out of town local news from places I look forward to possibly moving some day. It can be very informative and helpful if you follow the right people. Less drama than Facebook.