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You are mistaken on pretty much everything in this post, but as a starting point you should understand that there is a recognized distinction between "Islamist" and "Islam."

sabills -- If I may ask, where did you take those waterfront photos? They look great.

Reino for Hall? Hmmmm. The perfect daydream conversation for this thread. It's almost, but not quite, impossible to see it happen, and the principal pieces are close enough in value to make it interesting. The 2 players had very comparable rookie seasons, although Reino was a year older and Hall produced the same offense in 65 games that Reino produced in 79 (albeit with Hall getting about 1.5 min more ice time per game). Hall also produced more shots. Hall has not scored more than 27 goals in his 6 NHL seasons, but has scored over 20 in 5 out of 6 (if his 16 goals in the lockout season are extrapolated). He has missed a fair amount of games with injuries in 3 out of 6 seasons, although not in 2 of his last 3 seasons. So, Hall, who will be 25 this fall, has a good NHL track record and a great junior record to evaluate him on. Reino, OTOH, has a great junior career (including World Juniors) and a nice NHL rookie season. Hall has more speed; Reino probably has a better hockey IQ and hopefully will be more durable. I don't think Edmonton would make the proposed trade -- I think getting Hall and the improvement in draft slots is too much to expect. I could talk myself into them agreeing to Hall-for-Reino-plus-Pysyk, but even that is a stretch -- they would likely insist on McCabe. And I don't think GMTM would make the trade without the draft pick swap, but I could maybe see him doing it with pick swap. It's definitely a more likely fantasy trade.

Good to see ya Whisky!! I wish I shared your optimism about this attack triggering meaningful change in the country's approach to the Islamist menace. The president's remarks do not instill confidence on that point.

Tell me more about these acts "around the glove." I like the idea of introducing a soft-core porn element into this thread. In regrettable seriousness -- if the Iraq war is the direct cause of terrorism in the world today, what caused 9/11 and the zillion other terror attacks before the Iraq war? For that matter, why has France -- which staunchly opposed the Iraq war -- been relentlessly targeted for terror attacks?

1 - Are passports not issued by governments? More importantly, Saddam's administration was well aware that Yussuf was operating in Iraq. It wasn't like he was hiding in a cave deep in the mountains -- or for that matter sequestered in a compound in a huge city in Pakistan. 2 - Leaving aside the highly loaded statement that "Bush lied," and the necessary conclusion that a large number of Congressmen, cabinet members, other heads of state and other intelligence agencies also must have lied for some strange reason -- IMHO the reason for starting the Iraq war wasn't just WMDs, or support for jihadis, or kicking out the weapons inspectors, or shooting at coalition aircraft. It was all of those factors together, PLUS the critical fact that Saddam had the 4th-biggest army in the world, was openly shooting at and defying the US (and the rest of the UN) and was seen in the Muslim world as their strong horse. The US, having suffered a grievous wound on 9/11, had to show the jihadis throughout the Muslim world that they had no hope of winning the war -- and the way to do that was to beat their resident tough guy to a bloody pulp in front of everyone.

OK, but the Iraqi government gave him a passport, and he went to ground there after pulling off a huge attack. I don't see how that can be viewed as anything other than Iraqi support. Do you think Saddam didn't support anti-US Islamist groups?

Here's what you said: I don't see how anyone could view that post as adult discourse with no name-calling. And I'm not interested in arguing the semantics of calling someone "ignorant" with Ricky Bobby. When you have a conversation with someone, you don't tell him/her that he/she doesn't know what he/she is talking about. As to your question about why the president's words matter: I've posted several times in this thread on that very issue. But instead of calling you "ignorant," and despite my aversion to quoting myself, I'll just repeat the relevant portions of those posts: PA -- while I agree with 11 that no one threatened to muzzle anyone, I also think it's important that posters not tell those with whom they disagree that they aren't entitled to voice their opinions. I won't speak for 11 (although I highly doubt that was his intention), but my intention was certainly not to tell K-9 that he isn't entitled to voice his opinions about the president, Iraq, terrorism, messaging, the price of oil somehow being immune from supply and demand (hah! I haven't forgotten that one!), or anything else. It was just to tell K-9 to change the tone of his communications. This thread is necessarily going to engender stronger opinions and emotions -- especially right after a terror attack -- than any other thread on this board will. Even so, for the thread to have any value, it can't degenerate into yelling insults at each other (and I say that as someone who has crossed the line myself and who is trying to avoid doing so again).

The bolded is probably true, but the war between Islamism and Western civilization was and remains far broader than 9/11 and payback therefor. It's also worth noting that Ramsi Yousef, the architect of the 1993 WTC bombing, entered the US on an Iraqi passport and was given refuge in Iraq after that bombing, and was the nephew of Khalid Shaikh Muhammed, one of the planners of 9/11.

Sir: either tone down the name-calling and converse like a grown-up, or keep quiet.

I appreciate the usage of "arguendo." As for your question: the US implemented the surge in Iraq in early 2007, following a couple of years of stasis featuring regular IED and other attacks and related casualties. It was highly effective. I assume what you're really alluding to is the decision to embark upon the Iraq war, and that you think doing so was a poor decision. If my assumption is correct, I don't agree, but you're probably in the majority. Here's an unimpeachable source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks

Leaving aside the snark in the 2nd sentence, because we're trying to have a reasonable conversation here -- yes, I agree with the GWB approach. The world, the US and the ME were all much safer places in 2008 than they are now.

You're right -- "win quickly" was a poor turn of phrase. I meant that the war should be fought with ferocity, so that battles are won quickly and decisively -- so that the bad guys see there is no hope of winning. But it is and will remain a long war. Operationally, I think the US needs a large and permanent military presence (between 50K and 100K troops) in the ME from which to project power, and it needs to exercise that military presence frequently and determinedly. When there are no safe havens from which Islamists can plan and operate, and when they lose battles decisively and often, their ability to execute and their appeal to prospective recruits will be substantially impaired. The president has been trying to avoid offending Islam for 8 years. This policy can't be described as anything other than a crashing failure. I've said this before, but there is a notion in Islam of respecting "the strong horse." That means, as mentioned above, that militancy attracts support and volunteers when it appears to be working, and loses support and manpower when it is clearly not working. At this point in time the average disaffected loser Muslim youth sees ISIS as the strong horse and the US as the weak horse -- and part of the reason the US looks like the weak horse is that the president continuously seems afraid of offending Islam. Until that changes we won't be able to win this war.

I'd say the war has been ongoing since the 1970s. I didn't say Obama was a pacifist -- just an incompetent, and someone incapable of realizing that he has erred. It's always someone else's fault. Do you think Obama's strategy for dealing with militant Islam has been effective?

Do you prefer the president's approach, in which he pretends that Muslim acts of bloodthirsty mass murder are "workplace violence" incidents and, after the latest horrific incident, cannot bring himself to say the words "Islam" or "jihad" and instead says that "we need to do better in our attitudes towards the LGBT community?" I'm inferring (perhaps incorrectly) from your posts the notion that words don't really matter. I agree that if words are completely empty or insincere, they matter much less than real actions do. In this case, I think words matter because (i) they are 100% indicative of the president's views on how to deal with militant Islam and (ii) the public needs to be convinced by its commander-in-chief that we are in a war that will require patience, sacrifice and determination to win.

I thought this was pretty interesting: Matt Larkin @THNMattLarkin Past five Cup champions' rankings in score-adjusted Corsi: 2nd, 3rd, 1st, 2nd, 2nd. Tough for even greatest skeptics not to see correlation. 12:30 AM - 13 Jun 2016 So I guess we need to figure out what kinda players get you there in score-adjusted Corsi.

11, I appreciate the kind words, as well as your apology (to others) for getting heated up, but I will note again, for the record, that I am a proud independent. I usually vote Republican because I think the Democrats are completely out to lunch on the key issues of the day, but I would greatly prefer a situation in which both parties offered clear-eyed, prudent solutions to the nation's pressing issues, and were led by serious, honorable people. Instead, IMHO, only one party has prudent policy proposals to the country's major issues (and far less than all of the time!), both parties are littered with greedy, dishonest careerists, and none of the final 4 candidates this year has any business near the oval office. Because he's the commander-in-chief, and we're in a war, and to win a war, it's first necessary to admit that we're in a war, and it's then necessary to identify the enemy -- not just internally, but openly, so as, among other things, to build popular support for the war. And then it's necessary to fight the war in a manner that is designed to win quickly and convincingly. This president has failed miserably on all accounts.

It's good to have the Hound back. "There was a time when I would've killed all 7 of you just to gut these 3." How close is the Hound to Winterfell? Probably close enough to meet Arya there when she arrives from Braavos, right? Cersei has a big problem. I wouldn't be surprised if Margaery works out some kind of trade in which the Tyrells get Loras back and Cersei ends up in a dungeon. Jaime is a great character (among many others), written and acted amazingly well.

Well played.

I wish Kaleta would stop dangling so much and hit someone already.

Apples and oranges IMHO.

Well done PA. I run fairly regularly and I am a firm believer that there is nothing that is as good for stress release, sleep, other bodily functions (ahem!) and generally feeling like a million dollars as a long run is. Just stay at it and increase your distance in small increments every 2 or 3 runs -- you'll be at 5 miles before you know it. As for the mental aspect: there is NFW I could pull off a long run without listening to podcasts. Otherwise I'd be saying "are we there yet" to myself every 15 seconds.

It's an interesting question, to be sure. All 3 are GMTM's kinda guys. OTOH, I can see him bloodlessly including any of them in the next big trade he puts together. As for highest potential, I'd guess Bailey based on production in juniors and AHL, plus what I thought was pretty good speed and strength shown in his limited NHL minutes last year, but that's just a guess.

Out of those 16 years, how much time do you think she's spent in NY?

Of course you are technically correct, but I want to make it clear that there is about as much truth and accuracy in her association with NYS as there is in any other statement or action she undertakes.