Patty16

Lots of kids in his draft year have already made it, but you're right you don't expect all 20 year olds to put it all together. Tpyically the issue isn't consistency with work ethic and that's why he's getting dinged so hard. Most young kids just can't produce enough or not blow assignments with consistency. He's never going to make it regardless of his skill level if he takes as many shifts off as he does. It's easy to do that and produce at the lower levels but not the national league

He;'s been mishandled but to say he hasn't had a fair shot is wrong. He's not working hard with any consistency, and that's on no one but himself.

I agree... and supports what I said earlier in this thread that many on the Sabres didn't like him. The kid has been crticized by basically every pro coach he's had for lacking a will to compete with any regularity. I'm not why, when as PH explains in the article that he's played with talent, many on here continue to say he's not playing with the right people. The kid has had a bunch of chances and hasn't earned anything. Right now in his development he's a good AHL player, not great, and he's def not ready for the NHL. That could change tho but not every player can play wing, esp if you've always played C.

Yup. Exactly. Probably why there was no reaction out of Tdot about Murray 'wanting' to tank next year. Bc no fair reading of his quote implies such.

Right. As if GMs need the media to communicate.... its not like the hockey community is a small world :doh: . GMs and front offices talk all the time. they don't need the media to do it for them.

It can just as easily mean he hopes they are challenging for a playoff spot but can still win the lottery. You read that as he hopes they tank again and blah blah. Virtually everything you post puts the team and ownership in a negative light.

No, it has a great deal to do with you. The type who posts crap taken way out of context and then goes " who meeeeee?"

Yes it is, and those kind of posts are detrimental to the overall flow and feel of this board.

As is the fine tradition of your nonsense. You take one quote from an article, label it "rhetoric" and then extrapolate it out to be the philosophy of GMTM to be set in stone going forward.

Bc Hodsgon is scoring roughly the same amount even strength as he always has, Young kids like Grig arent normally give 20 mins of ice time when they are that young, unless they are killing it.

Bc he plays center and the two top producing RWs were traded?

and he had 125 total the year prior but produced more

Right and all the guys with top 6 minutes have the most points. Flynn and Mitchell play the PK and thats where those extra shifts come from. But please continue to say how Ted Nolan is holding back Hodgson from scoring another 30 points

Because you're looking at it wrong this year he has 1pt for every 81 mins of PP time 13/14 -- 1 pt for every 25 mins of PP time 12/13 -- 1 pt for every 25 mins of PP time So his production is way off on the PP ---- and what I'm saying is that's where hes dropped off, and where his points are missing. So looking at these numbers he's not going to score all that much more playing the PP that many more minutes. He's awful on the PP this year, and part of that is losing guys like Vanek and Pommers the last two years. Now he has no one and he's not producing.

No he doesn't Look at points and ice time with forwards. The guys who score generally play more Of the forwards with the most ice time, theyre all producing more points than the guys below them with the exception of Hodgson........ If anything he's getting more ice time than his points show he should, and he's being outscored by HOFers like Foligno and Deslauriers even though they get much less ice. So Nolan does not only reward one type....he plays the top 6 who produce the most POINTS

Of course its beyond......... he's getting about the same amount of even strength time, he's not getting the additional PP time because he's been awful on it. Sorry but 1 point all year on the PP is pathetic and he doesn't deserve to play more on that unit. So when 20-40% of his points in his better years come from the PP and 1% of his points do this year, it means he's having a bad year and more time will not mean more production. I listen to a lot of NHL talk around the league and read a ton of stuff. NO ONE is saying we are using Hodgson wrong.... he's having a horrible year. Why you think giving him more PP time will magically increase his production when the numbers show otherwise is beyond me.

No it does not. He's playing the only guys who produce....even if its little production. So the guys who are producing the most, counted by points, are usually getting the most playing time. So yes its true. And Meszaros has sucked, which is why he's getting the least amount of ice. Hodgson does not prove your point at all. He's not scoring on the PP when he's playing. Thats the freaking point. He has 1 PP point allllllll season. His production on the PP has plummeted and thats why his scoring is down. His numbers breakdown don't support your position at all. He's scoring less per PP min than any point in recent memory.... and that's because the PP sucks and . We could double his PP time and his production would still be way down.

And what would be the basis of that? He was considered a respected coach when he was let go from NYI, he earned lots of praise for the Olympics etc. He does get respect as a hockey coach, his problem is he clashes with mgt.

But that's demonstrably false. The guys producing points are getting mroe ice than those who aren't... except for Grigs, he gettings 15 mins of ice with no points and poor effort. Meszaros is getting the least amount of ice time so what do you mean? And if you want to talk about Hodson......... He's getting roughly the same amount of 5on5 time as he always has and he's producing the same as he always did there....... the diff in him is he's not scoring on the PP mostly bc the team's PP is god awful. It's not a misuse of him, he's never been really strong 5on5.

What are the other kinds of effort he isnt recognizing?

That makes perfect sense. ____ Again, I'm not sure TN is the answer, but he is really respected around the league, (even if personally disliked), and the notion that he doesnt give his skill players ice time just isnt true. He does, but he really stresses effort. But I mean what's he supposed to say after every game? He can't say we just don't have the talent, so when players float around or aren't hustling it's what he has to pick on. But also look at the best teams around the league, they are flying up and down the ice too, the game is one where effort is at a premium and winning the 50/50 pucks makes all the difference.

The Forwards leading on ice time are zemgus moulson ennis gionta, stewart stafford. He didnt bury any talented guys when he was with the Isles, When he won coach of the year he had a team of no talent grinders, is that his fault? He's probably not the answer but I think you are wrong stating his philosphy is ONLY to play grinders. How in the hell can you say he's over coaching from watching the game on TV? How exactly is he overcoaching? If anything he's known for undercoaching because he doesnt even go over Xs and Os, he's a feel the game kinda coach

Coaches don't build teams. He only has what GMTM gives him. He may not be a great coach, but to say he only know how to win one way is pretty asinine. How do you know that? I see some say he's holding back Gionta and Stewart? Those guys havent had good seasons in years, well before TN came along. He's been given a pile of dog crap (for tank purposes) and some are actually saying he just isnt using them right? Anyone outside of Buffalo knows this team couldn't win with any coach behind the bench. Nolan has never had top talent on a team so there's no way to say that.

I believe it was hockey analysis .com or something similar. And I'll look for the article. It was a year or so ago that he was given a spot on the team wihtout earning it, Hamilton reported it bothered guys in the room.

Yes- he rubbed many vets the wrong way with his attitude and lack of work ethic. He's had top line minutes and even spent time on the PP in other years. There's an analytics site that shows his most common linemates are mostly top 6 forwards. I believe he's played the most with Stewart this year.Those things did happen. To say he hasnt had his chances would be wrong.