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Here are the pics. First link is before pic. Notice house with white roof at bottom center of pic: http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=qrskxh8v64cj&lvl=19.24&dir=359.05&sty=o&form=LMLTCC After pic with same house at lower left. Unbelievable. http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1195049.1351695367!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/breezy-point.jpg

Did you see the before and after pics of Breezy Point? Someone posted them in the Off the Wall forum. Shocking doesn't cover it. It's amazing nobody died in that inferno.

I don't know what piece to what trivia, but I focused solely on governors because their responsibilities represent a microcosm of those that a president would also have to administer. Senators, congressman, etc., simply don't govern the people as chief executives the way governors do. Governors who run for national office are often touted as having the requisite experience for that very reason.

I was just looking at winners and governors. I had no idea that it included all candidates across other political offices. I can't believe there aren't others that failed to carry their home states.

I'd be interested in seeing what Obama said about privatizing FEMA. I haven't seen or heard him say anything about getting rid of FEMA. Any suggestions on where I can find what he said about it? As to what Romney said when asked the question in the debate, he left no doubt about what his thoughts are concerning FEMA; it would be eliminated. And again, given the scope of this latest natural disaster, it's a fair question to ask of the man who seeks to be in a position where he would have to dedicate federal resources to disaster mitigation in the future.

Bottom line SwampD: that "surfer" is a p.u.s.s.y that just doesn't want it bad enough.

The Q is retarding his development for however long he has to continue to dominate it. GO BILLS!!!

I racked my brain for a while and couldn't remember it and I believe it was a Trivial Pursuit question as well. I like Ike! I googled his approval ratings and apparently he was well regarded. Another in a long line of Republican leaders that would no longer recognize his own party. On another tac, did you catch the photo op of Romney in Ohio loading the truck with canned goods and water for shipment to NJ? He was getting badgered to answer the question about his stance on privatizing FEMA. I think it's a fair question given the circumstances and the sheer scope of the damage across so many states.

I don't disagree with your point. I think that surfer just really sucks at sneaking out there to catch a wave. I mean if the beach is officially closed then the guy with the badge has a point in just doing his job but the surfer should risk the fine anyway if it's that important to him. If it's not closed, I don't see how a badge can do anything more than advise him.

We agree, then. We're damned lucky to have these under and sometimes non paid people in our society willing to risk so much for others. That's my point.

Yeah. The other two were Wilson and Coolidge. And again, that's just my cursory twenty minute google effort so I wouldn't hold anyone to that. Romney better convince Rove and the Koch boys to spend some money in Massachusetts before it's too late. But with all the charitable drives he conducting in Ohio, I don't think he'll find the time, let alone the inclination. EDIT: Have to add an 8th to the list. Teddy Roosevelt carried N.Y. state in 1904. That makes 8 former governors elected president since 1900 that carried their states.

Your point seems to be that rescue workers only become rescue workers simply because they can't keep themselves from rescuing people. Maybe if more of these rescuers died while rescuing people, fewer people would be apt to become a rescuers who simply like to spoil all the fun for all the thrill seekers out there. And if we're REALLY lucky someone with a video recording device can capture a thrill seeker killing themselves in the process. Personally, I can't think of greater fun than live footage of a drowning surfer floundering in the waves and frantically waving his arms as he takes his last breath and disappears beneath the waves, never to be seen again. Or at least not until a few days later when his bloated corpse washes up on the beach. And I insist that only that person's immediate family should have the responsibility to recover the body as well. This might serve to dissuade other idiots from spawning additional thrill seeking idiots.

Was talking to someone up in Mass. and I asked him what people thought up there and he said Obama will carry the state with no problem. Of course, this is nothing new. In a tracking average of 36 different polls, Obama is up 56 to 40 in Massachusetts. But I got to thinking how other former state governors who became President did in their respective home states. According to my cursory research there have been 7 former governors since 1900 who went on to win the Presidential election, four in my own lifetime. Every single one of them carried their home states. Is there any electorate better able to gauge the ability of a candidate to govern than an electorate that actually was governed by that candidate? EDIT: Have to add an 8th to the list. Teddy Roosevelt carried N.Y. state in 1904. That makes 8 former governors elected president that carried their states since 1900.

I've never met a rescue professional or volunteer with that mindset. Seems there is always some thrill seeker that puts himself in harm's way only to end up in need of a rescue. Makes sense to curtail that activity when you can if it means not subjecting rescuers to the same peril.

If Christie had said that he wasn't impressed with the federal response, would that have been considered political? ^This.

Because if he gets in trouble out there he will put rescue personnel in harm's way? Because others perhaps not experienced may be tempted to do the same? A combination of these factors perhaps?

Does Romney need to request to go into NJ to do photoshoots? Why can't he just go into NJ if he feels like it? I don't think it would be wise politically, though.

That is some seriously sad commentary on us as a species.

Let the looting begin!

While I agree with all of this, a president needs to be careful that his rhetoric doesn't contradict the images people are bombarded with during these events. Before, during, or after the event itself. If Obama utters a "heckuva job, Brownie" quote against images of stranded people waiting for rescue or tens of thousands of people crammed into an inadequate shelter like the Superdome or, God forbid, corpses left on streets like in the aftermath of Katrina, there will be a heavy political price to pay. And just like the zealots on the left seized upon that opportunity and clobbered Bush with it, the same will happen to Obama.

That's an old Irish prayer, isn't it?

I think this is true. The Republican machine will turn the slightest hint of indifference by the administration into their "heckuva job, Brownie" moment. However, it also represents an opportunity for the President to be seen as "presidential" during a crisis and that tends to rally people historically. I think state governments have done a great job in getting ahead of the storm in terms of evacuations, bringing in crews from out of state, closings, etc., and generally getting information out to people. I would hope that the Obama administration would heap praise on state and local governments for their efforts.

What about the huge Democratic voting block in Philly? If Sandy impacts that turnout is that enough to turn PA back to the Republicans?

When Romney ran for governor of Mass. he danced to the middle of the issue like he is now. He flatly told Mike Huckabee that he would have supported a Mass. state constitutional amendment to define life as beginning at conception. He's playing with words and just parsing the language: life vs "personhood." And when he chose a running mate that he KNEW had co-sponsored a bill that defined personhood as starting at conception he made his position clear once again. We'll just have to agree to disagree that Romney is a moderate on the issue. He might convince me if he condemned his party's adoption of their plank regarding the issue and if he flat out objected to Ryan's stance as well. And that will never happen.

I agree. So if power is out at your polling place you can't vote?