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Well, that's one possibility. However, what if there was tampering? Evidence does come to light at different times, sometimes much later. It's not like politicians serving both Democrat and Republican needs don't lie straight to our faces and get involved in illegal activities in order to further their agendas. DISCLAIMER: I am not a fan of Donald Trump.

Witness tampering. Yeah right. Every witness was a republican and now, NOW, they claim tampering? Meanwhile the rest of the country goes to crap as Cheeto man and his fascist loyalists ignore the big picture as they seek retribution against those who actually have respect for our Constitution and the rule of law. Banana republic time again.

Yeah I had to dig a bit at first, but it’s out there now as headline news. Accusations that Cheney did some witness tampering and our new President elect smells blood and is calling for an FBI investigation.

Can you add context to that? A link to whatever you read or saw that sparked your comment on here would assist others in confirming what you are referring to. Thanks.

Bad day for Liz Cheney.

Oh yeah.. definitely agree. I'm just laughing at people who said they are LEOS which should never be confused for a drone.

Can’t be a satellite in a LEO constellation given the minimum altitude of approximately 180 miles or so and I'm not aware of any company currently operating a system that low. When I was with Orbcomm in another life nearly 30 years ago, our planned altitude for our constellation was something like 815 kilometers.

I'm just monitoring the topic.. It seems strange that so much of this is popping up over such a widespread area. If they are all planes and LEOS that would be something. Although I am not sure how they grouped LEOS into that category. We're going to have to rely on our beat reports in and around the area, to get some good video. 🙂

Like I said in the random thread, I have yet to see any video of a “drone” that I couldn’t say was a plane. If someone has one, I’d love to see it.

You can create new threads... like this.

Not to derail the thread but don’t no where else to put this. What are all these drones?

Interesting.... Nancy Pelosi trying to ‘tank’ Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s House Oversight Committee bid: Report by Victor Nava Former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) has reportedly launched a behind-the-scenes effort to thwart Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s (D-NY) bid to serve as the top Democrat on the House Oversight Committee. Pelosi, 84, would rather see Rep. Gerry Connolly (D-Va.) serve as ranking member on the high-profile panel and is “actively working to tank” the 35-year-old New York Democrat’s bid, according to Punchbowl News. The former House speaker has been “making calls” urging Democrats to support Connolly, 74, over Ocasio-Cortez, the outlet reported on Thursday. https://nypost.com/2024/12/13/us-news/nancy-pelosi-trying-to-tank-alexandria-ocasio-cortezs-house-oversight-committee-bid-report/

This is obvious for most to understand, but I guess the emotionally immature among us will insist on making it more than it is. My hatred of Musk predates his position in the Trump administration and him “cutting funding to some agencies” is the least of it.

Pardoning him is one thing, but you have to ask why the pardon covers a period of eleven years. You also have to wonder if it could have unintended consequences. I believe if Hunter has immunity he loses his 5th amendment rights. I don't think this is over.

It just confirms what everyone should already take to heart. A politician has no morals and should never be expected to stick to their word. He said he would not do it, but now he has. I really wonder if he would have done it if Harris had won the election. In my opinion he's completely de-legitimized himself. Not that I had a high opinion of him to begin with, but have some backbone and stick to your word. Your kid F'ed up and should pay the price.

Genuinely disappointed by this. I don’t know why I am disappointed. If a convicted felon can be elected President, why can’t a President pardon his convicted felon son?

And Biden pardons his son even though he said he wouldn’t. 😂 Trump also pardoned his so -in-law’s dad. Wish I had that literal get out of jail free card.

I agree. Alternative energy sources seem like a smart move. Aside from running out of oil someday, alternatives could have far reaching future positives. First thing that comes to mind is space exploration. You’re not getting humans out of the solar system on current liquid fuel sources. Presently, much of the world’s oil comes from a very disputed region of the world. Viable, low cost, mass produced sources would probably have an impact on conflicts in that region.

If Musk is successful at one thing, I hope it's getting the Republican party off this obsession with oil. It is extremely irresponsible to not diversify and plan for the future. The US does not have the oil reserves that many other countries do and we're drilling more than anyone else, meaning we'll run out even sooner than other countries with major reserves.

I think overly emotional people have existed forever and that they will take action regardless of message boards. I'm pretty certain when they talk about the enabling of violent action from message boards they are not targeting a message board dedicated to a recently repeatedly pathetic hockey club. Assassinations attempts and successes, bomb threats and successes, etc. all happen throughout history. Hearing about them more does not mean it's happening more often but that it makes for good news at the time. I'm not dismissing them as acceptable. Personalities that are prone to making violent or extremist statements, such as Trump or Musk, are also more prone to invoking Newton's Third Law of Politics. Some people I know made comments about Trump's first assassination attempt that I never guessed would have come out of their mouths. No message board drove them to that, it's the very nature of how strongly they object to Trump and his persona. I suppose the way I see it, in the end, is that "F off and Die" is more akin to saying "I wish such and such didn't exist" versus "I wish someone would kill such and such"

I’m not even saying I agree with everything Trump says or does. I’m not defending or arguing against the points. But to say F off and die towards political opponents is ok because it was cool decades ago or it’s something your family says ignores the sociopolitical environment of the present. Oh look, CNN reporting bomb threats against lawmakers. FBI investigating it as a coordinated effort. Add that to two assassination attempts. Do you really think the emotional overreaction people have to politics doesn’t play a part? BTW, as this stuff continues to happen the people who look into it tend to look at message boards saying that kind of stuff. Typically the “wrong people” you want lurking. For the Russia/Afghanistan comment, it’s weird that nobody got overly emotional concerning those issues but the idea of cutting funding to some agencies warrants F off and die. My point to all of this is common sense would dictate this isn’t the right time to say F off and die in response to politics on an open Internet forum.There are other ways to articulate the same points without the outburst. I’ll leave it at that. If you and the people responsible for this site think it’s fine, then fine.

Who are these "wrong people"? What is this future doom you are portending? We're not going to sanitize all speech so that no phrase could be misconstrued as calling for violence against political officials right? If we did then we should probably look down on Musk as he did openly comment after one of those assassination attempts in question that "no one is even trying to assassinate" Biden or Harris. I'm not real sure where Ukraine and Afghanistan fit into this conversation. As far as I know those aren't pertinent to the discussion of "what constitutes a phrase as advocating for violence against a politician?" Neither of those events have anything to do with someone indirectly saying about Musk "F off and die". At least I can't see the connection. Is there one or are you just adding other events in some strange attempt to legitimize your position on advocating violence against politicians?

I don’t put anyone on ignore. IMO you use this forum as an outlet for expressing emotional immaturity. It’s like 2016 all over again but it seems like you missed the last four years. Ukraine firing U.S. ICBMs into Russia and an Afghanistan withdrawal that was questionable at best just to start.

Per the bold text, I assume the “someone” you’re referring to is me. Respectfully, it’s a crock of crap as I’ve never advocated for violence against anyone in this or any other forum. “F off and die” is an old saying and was very popular in the 70s. There were even t shirts with the saying on it. It’s simply a way of expressing extreme displeasure with someone. And the issue with Musk, Trump, and others isn’t about simply disagreeing on politics; far from it. They are a very clear and present danger to our constitution, our representative republic, and our democracy. Project 2025 is a fascist manifesto and I suggest you read it and then study similar writings from politicians in Germany, Italy, and Spain in the 20s and 30s. In the meantime, put me on “ignore” because I’m sure you’ll misconstrue and overreact to things I may post in the future.

Your analogy is not the same. Politics in the U.S. have become so emotionally charged that we just had two assassination attempts against a then presidential candidate. During Trumps previous administration there were a lot of contentious conversations I was a part of but I don’t remember people expressing their wish for someone to die. Excusing it now invites future rhetoric. If you’re willing to accept the level it’s at now then fine. I’m telling you though, if you don’t keep an eye on it the wrong people will start looking at this place from the outside.